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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know they do, I was actually specifically calling that out, as they always say "nuh uh" when you point out that they do in fact want a total ban on self defense.

One could argue anything, doesn't make them actually correct. "The militia" is defined "as all able bodied males age 17-45," not as "the national guard, which is a military branch not a militia." As such, this argument says to me that "all able bodied males age 17-45" should be able to own guns and nobody else, no women, nobody in a wheelchair or with anything that would disqualify one medically from service like colorblindness, etc. Of course, that is ridiculous, but that's why I prefer the "actually knows english" approach to that particular argument.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's still not necessary to qualify it that way. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" stands on its own with the preceding sentence explaining Why.

Regardless of semantics, the Supreme Court has confirmed individual rights to bear arms in triplicate and that matter is settled.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing is settled with this supreme court.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OK well go tell them about that and see what they have to say about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We really need to get them to review Harlow V Fitzgerald, and present them with the full text of section 1983 with the 16 missing words, as the 1871 Congress passed that law.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wtf. I just googled that. How has that been allowed to continue foe a hund and fifty fucking years?? Jesus H. Christ.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well the case I referenced occurred in 1982, but I think it was mainly because no one took the time to look at the Congressional Record, and compare it to the text in the Federal Register.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know much about that, but if that would get rid of qualified immunity for police then I concur.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's the case that caused QI in 1982. The 16 missing words explicitly outlaw any sort of immunity for any government officials.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's an interesting idea. Maybe in situations like this, the governor should activate the militia to hunt this guy down. Allow the community to protect itself instead of relying only on the cops. Lots of things could go wrong, but still, it could show the intent of the 2a.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's like, horror movie levels of scary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In a sense this is already in effect to the degree that is...necessary, or maybe the word I should use is "appropriate." If anyone who is carrying arms runs into this guy, knows what he looks like and gets a positive ID, and knows what he's done, while it isn't 100% legal to draw on him unless he's presenting an active threat (i.e he has a gun out), no DA in the country would charge you with brandishing. Then from there you say freeze, he reaches for his gun, shit happens.

The problem with deputizing the entire county for a manhunt though is giving people real authority can have some ill effects, and is pretty much guaranteeing mob justice to become a norm again. I'd say we're at the happy medium of "nobody will question you if you do find him, but I'm not going to imbue you with the authority of the state per se."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a legal nightmare