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“I Am Done Voting for the Lesser of Two Evils. I Will Not Vote for Joe Biden in 2024.” (inthesetimes.com)
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Former democratic party activists are organizing Muslims and Arab-Americans in Swing states to vote against Biden with the demand that he support a ceasefire in Gaza.

I'll allow them a little bit of electoralism this time.

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[–] 16 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I know no one here will want to hear this. But that’s lazy thinking and revisionist history. He got elected twice. The same folks calling him Muslim and asking for his birth certificate are now chanting Let’s go Brandon and doing other horrible stuff.

I’m sure a percentage of people think he’s extra bad for being black, but they were going to hate him just as much for being liberal.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    213,313,508 eligible voters in 2008, 131,407,000 voted, 95% of black voters for Obama, 59,948,323 went to McCain (a supermajority of them white) even after eight years of George Bush, when polled conservatives policies are highly unpopular with a supermajority of the population (whites included)

    Race, demographics, and cultural identity have far more valence on the outcome of elections than ideological commitments, especially in a country with such poor political education

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    The supermajority of all voters are white.

    The majority of Obama voters were white.

    Conservatives in 2008 were almost exclusively white.

    Race for sure played a factor, it always does. But it absolutely does not outweigh ideology.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago

    Conservatives also exist within the democratic party and in 2008 they were Hillary people, many of whom were still mad at Obama for ruining her coronation the first time which led many of them to not vote for him

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Conservatives in 2008 were almost exclusively white

    Exactly that's my point, and the supermajority of non-whites voted for Obama, while the majority of white voters who voted went for McCain, if ideological commitment formed the core of election outcomes then that wouldn't have been the case, and we would see a more even distribution among demographic groups

    The majority of McCain and white Obama voters voted the way they did because Obama was black, the conservatives voted the way they did because he was liberal and to be liberal is to be black or support black causes, and white Obama voters (aside from the ones who genuinely didn't care he was black) voted for him because voting for the first black president would've been a cultural signifier they could use as social capital in the more cosmopolitan spaces they inhabit

    White Obama voters who voted a second time couldn't have cared less about his ideological promises because he betrayed all of them in his first term

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Holy shit that’s insane.

    Go look at the graphs of the electorate before and after 2008. It is not wildly different.

    A majority of people did not vote because of race.

    You’re drawing very sweeping conclusions from one and a half data points.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Go look at the graphs of the electorate before and after 2008. It is not wildly different.

    lmao yeah that just strengthens my point, otherwise if ideological commitments swayed voters then YOU have to explain why white Obama voters didn't punish him for betraying those ideological commitments in his first term, it's almost like demographics and cultural signifiers were more important than concrete ideology, and the need for cultural identification among white liberals only intensified between 2008 and 2012 after the mostly cultural conservative backlash against Obama and HIS Democratic Party, a backlash that surprise surprise found its expression in racial politics

    A majority of people did not vote because of race.

    What a profound argument, I've now changed my mind

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    it's almost like demographics and cultural signifiers were more important than concrete ideology

    Great point.

    Since most in the US have no concrete ideology, there are only demographics and cultural signifiers. Politcal Parties are just lifestyle brands

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago

    I think the difference here that you're not addressing, is that no one claimed Biden or even Hillary were Muslim. They only did that with Obama. Yeah they would have hated Obama if he was white too, just like the hated Clinton before him. But no one called Bill Clinton a Muslim. I don't see anything revisionist or lazy about this idea. It may or may not be right, but i don't think its lazy or incongruent within the historical context.

    I’m sure a percentage of people think he’s extra bad for being black

    This seems kind of hand wavy regarding the existence and level of rascism in the US. Obviously, i hate Obama for all the legitimate reasons to hate him, but there was a nonstop barage of rascist attacks against him that drowned out real critiques of his ghoulish, status quo admin.

    The US is a white supremacist state. Its not just a certain percentage, its the bedrock of the US project.

    I know no one here will want to hear this.

    Why? Or do you just want to sound like a condescending redditor?

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