World News
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News [email protected]
Politics [email protected]
World Politics [email protected]
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
view the rest of the comments
In a republic, representatives in power are elected by the general populace. Their decisions represent the will of the citizenry.
Hamas was freely elected by the people of Gaza in 2006. Their actions did and continue to represent the will of the citizenry. If they didn't, they would not still be in positions of elected authority.
So, in a war of aggression by a democratic state, voting age adults are just as responsible for the actions of their country as the combatants they indirectly sent to harm others.
Gazan adults are either fighting Hamas, or they support Hamas. And I haven't read ANYTHING about Gazans against Hamas taking up arms to free their country from that elected group.
That means that you are personally liable for the 1 Million dead civilians from our unconstitutional war in the middle east.
Using this logic you are fair game for a terrorist attack, and would deserve it.
50% of the population was not born yet during the most recent election where Hamas gained power (16 years ago)
Stop parroting this bullshit and think for yourself
I AM responsible. This is how democracy works. You are responsible for your own governance. Why don't you think for yourself? You can't vote for your government to kill others, and take zero responsibility.
And the people who didn't vote for the government? People who voted for the opposition but didn't win, are they innocent?
Yes, they are innocent. They did not consent to what their elected government is doing, assuming the actions being taken are from representatives they did not vote for.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
Hamas got 44% of the vote
Fatah literally fought Hamas for the Gaza strip. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007) they lost. But they really really tried
So I think this paints a picture of a population divided. So all the people under 18 are innocent, we agree on that. And 66% of the adults are also innocent.
That's a lot of innocent people dying right now in the Gaza strip.
I don't disagree. Airstrikes and intelligence on where to put them can only be so reliable.
So edgy. Hand yourself over to Al-Qaeda or ISIS since you are responsible. I will buy your plane ticket for you.
Nope, just because I'm part of a wide, very diluted group collectively responsible doesn't mean I think I am wrong. I am happy for voting representatives into power who used military force against Al-Qaida and ISIS. Fuck them.
No you are going to the Middle East, send me a DM so we can get the plane ticket purchased
Put your money where your mouth is coward
But America isn't a democracy, it's a republic.
And even then, people don't vote on military decisions.
I somewhat agree on principle but practically speaking we live in very large systems with huge momentum these days, even in America where lots of people are armed and can avoid going to a war they don't want to, they're not necessarily going to bust moves against the system itself. If you ask me, the most effective action would simply be to buy your way out and enable mass freedom from such industrial war machines
This is a super simple view of the conflict.
They elected them in 2006. So there hasn't been an election in almost 20 years.
This is a stupid position to take imo.
Germans voted for the Nazi party to take power. And guess what? Germans supported that party, even after that party they chose to put into power suspended elections. If you elect a government that suspends elections, you're still responsible for electing that government. You put them there: you and your fellow citizens gave consent.
Yes famously every single german citizen unanimously supported the nazi party from 1933 to 1945.
Have you ever learned about how the Nazis came into power? The cycle that Hitler became Chancellor, they won only 37% of the vote. Before that, it was a meager 18%. One election of 37% was enough for emergency powers to be seized, the reichstag to be burned, and quite simply the ball to be put in motion. I’m sure you would’ve been first in line to protest their actions beyond that point, but it certainly would’ve been quite the challenge to change the course after that point.
If you’re cool damning an entire population off the decision of 37%(of the population that voted), then I guess your reasoning stands.
Funny that you mention it, but do you know why Germans voted for the Nazis, because they were desperate and put into a corner, after the end of the WWI and the Versailles treaty they were so bad economically that people were desperate, and guess what, desperate people choose desperate solutions. So in a way, Hamas is in power thanks to the Israelian policies.
Do you truly believe that if those people were in peace and living comfortably Hamas would have been elected in the first place?
This is just straight wrong in so many ways I'm afraid.
Are you 12?
Ya he's giving off some real Libertarian/FrEe MaRkEt/whatevenistheageofconsent vibes
No, I am a voter. Do you know how government works? Are you 12?
There weren't any elections since Hamas took control of Gaza, they have persecuted and expelled/killed all Fatah representatives.
Maybe before saying something try to educate yourself.
I'm someone who understands that:
Sounds like you don't understand those very basic facts. Your opinions are therefore not worth listening to.
Unfortunately, you don't understand the basics of living in a society. Please stop being arrogant and don't assume you have an opinion worth listening to.
Taking your same logic, every citizen of every country is responsible for whatever that country does. That means all of the grievances the people of Gaza have are the responsibility of every citizen of Israel.
Your advocating the doctrine of Total war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war
Lots of civilians die in Total war. On both sides. Using this logic everyone's going to die
Technically the most natural state of tribalism and humanity lol
No, every voting eligible citizen in a democratically elected government is responsible for a war of aggression. They are giving consent to the war of aggression. That is how democracy works: you the citizen decide your own governance, and you are not magically absolved of responsibility for the actions of the government you elected.
Okay, by that logic, the vast majority of the people in the Gaza strip are innocent. The last election was in 2004. The vast majority of people in Gaza are under 18.
Yes, those people are innocent. I have no qualms with that.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/18/1206897328/half-of-gazas-population-is-under-18-heres-what-that-means-for-the-conflict
Due to the Israeli blockade of goods and travel, these people were happy if they can survive the day to day. let alone fight a regime that even the 4th strongest army in the world is failing to control. But sure, it's their own fault.
50% of the population of Gaza is 15 or lower. The majority of the people there never voted for Hamas.
Hey, you cannot say that here! It doesn't fit the general narrative. What are you thinking? /s
😂
Name calling. And all of the sudden you're right! But hey, you forgot "bigot" from your answer, we all know you're not truly right until you call me a bigot!
😂😂😂
why are you thinking that?
No, they're not.
Neo-Nazis are actually quite pro-Hamas, their hatred of Jews and queers exceeds their hatred of muslims. You can verify this yourself by visiting pol or any other neo-nazi site.