▲ 942 ▼ Windows 12 May Require a Subscription (www.pcmag.com) submitted 3 years ago by billiam0202@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 667 comments fedilink hide all child comments [A]n INI configuration file in the Windows Canary channel, discovered by German website Deskmodder, includes references to a "Subscription Edition," "Subscription Type," and a "subscription status."
[+] q47tx@lemmy.world 589 points 3 years ago (85 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 85 child comments replies: [–] Veedem@lemmy.world 210 points 3 years ago (16 children) For the average consumer, this would help Apple and Google out more than anything. People want what they know. On the more savvy user side and for gamers, this move would, potentially, help Linux adoption rates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 85 points 3 years ago (5 children) It would help all of their competitors. A non zero number of people would move from windows to each of the others. Whether or not the number moving away from windows and on to each of the others is significant or not is a different matter. The biggest thing helping Linux right now is Valve's work improving the gaming experience, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Veedem@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago Even the rumor of this makes Valve’s focus on Linux seem that much smarter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zhao@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've never used Linux but if Microsoft goes subscription I'm out and I'll be learning Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] aniki@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] johnlobo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago valve would be really happy if Microsoft do windows subscription, lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (3 children) For the average consumer, this would help Apple and Google out more than anything. **People want what they know. ** Exactly, which is why this will probably work, do you really think the average consumer that's used to Windows is going to switch to Mac when they can just pay 5$/month instead? Lol As long as the price isn't ridiculous like 50$/month or some shit, the average consumer is just going to pay it lolol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Veedem@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) To start, I don’t think it’ll be a “subscribe or else” type deal. My assumption would be something like a forced S mode unless you subscribe. Second, people won’t jump right away. To start, word will get around and they’ll simply not update. Then, when it comes time to buy a new computer, the average user will be possibly swayed to look at entry level MB Airs (They often go on sale for like $750) or Chromebooks. The people who will get really pissed will be power users and gamers who will be forced to shell out money to get back features they had in previous versions of the OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. I've ditched windows long ago except for my gaming PC and the PCs at my office (I don't have a say in those though, I just much prefer Linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 5 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. Won't matter to Microsoft at all. You'll use your Chromebook to connect your Windows 365 Cloud PC . They'll add it to the Microsoft Family Plan, same one that has MS Office in it, for free when its introduced and then slowly raise the price as people get embedded into it. Gaming? You'll buy the WinBook Ultra that can handle streaming gaming or buy an Xbox. Welcome to the future, it'll be here in 10 years or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chromebooks generally encourage you to use Google's family of office apps. So I don't know about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 70 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (38 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 3 years ago (22 children) Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] H2207@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children) And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Now that's just some bullshit and you know it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 25 points 3 years ago* (12 children) Start trying some of the open source apps on Windows. For example, try using LibreOffice for a bit and see how it compares to Microsoft Office. You may be surprised to find that the difference isn’t as big as you thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago (4 children) LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I wish. Try editing a document with tables. LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago My biggest argument for Linux is: Windows isn't going to get better, but Linux will. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isles@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I started using a lot of the same open-source tools that are on Linux as replacements in Windows to ease the transition. As someone else mentioned, most of the top projects strive to match the workflows of traditional Windows options. Some lemmy instances have huge posts of top tier open source alternatives to most things you need and somethings you don't. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 3 years ago (8 children) There might be a subscription option or a subscription tier with a windows suite like office and stuff included in it, but for normal windows OS, they're decades away from going to a subscription only model, at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) I imagine they’ll split it into an enterprise version and then multiple consumer tiers, with a "free/lite" version with ads and progressively more function or less ads. Folks that dont use a computer for more than web browsing will jump on that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Norgur@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) might as well be that they change their licensing model for businesses to some sort of Subscription. The resale of volume keys has been a pain in their butt for a long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago That honestly makes sense B2B, wouldn’t hate that as a policy but I do dislike it on the consumer front. But I’ll never use windows personally again so I really only care for how it affects the rest of the computing world permalink fedilink source parent [–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Judging by this decade I don't estimate in decades anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Neato@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Why? They could roll out W12 with subscription-only plans. Besides the contracts they currently have that specify a specific amount of security updates for X years, they can let W11 and previous versions die. No more updates besides what they need to protect themselves. It's not like governments and businesses will balk. They already pay a premium for Windows licenses and they'd probably get deals, anyways. Average home users might not upgrade, but all new PCs sold will have W12 and require a subscription if you want to be able to use most of the features. This is what happens by not breaking up MS more or imposing penalties for anti-competitive behavior. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] 1bluepixel@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago (12 children) I've been hearing a variant of this since I joined Slashdot in 1999. "Microsoft really messed up this time, mainstream Linux adoption is right around the corner!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago* (4 children) Yeah, except the Steam Deck has been giving a huge reason to provide compatibility with Linux, and Valve/WINE have been pushing hard as hell to help facilitate it. Unity pushed me to go with Godot. Unity already had a Linux editor, but this has pushed me to also move from Photoshop to Krita, since we’re in that kind of mood. I tried several games last night that were rated gold or platinum rather than native on ProtonDB. While some people provided launch options, they all worked flawlessly out of the box. I’m even the first person to file a compatibility report for Furry Cyberfucker, let’s fucken go. Piper let me configure my mouse and keyboard without the need for GHub. My HOTAS works flawlessly without the Saitek software, since I’m used to configuring buttons in-game. I tried this last year, and went back to Windows with the same “it’s not quite there” response as everyone there. But I’ve been keeping an eye on this since I had to use ndiswrapper to get Ubuntu to play nice with my wlan adapter, and this month, I installed PopOS, and have been getting along pretty well. I haven’t encountered a single issue or compatibility that outright breaks this move for me, and I’m generally stubborn as shit to learn new things. It may not be the “year of the Linux desktop” for everyone, but it is for me. If you’re expecting some monolithic mass adoption, keep dreaming, but this progress doesn’t seem to be slowing down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] PeutMieuxFaire@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Right! If I had gotten 10 cent each time I heard (or said) this I would be close to 10 € by now :D I switched to Linux back in 2006 but not everyone has the knowledge, the capacity or the motivation to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I have the capacity and the knowledge but not the motivation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wjrii@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Someday Linux desktop percentage will jump up, but not how the optimists have thought. It's going to be more because the younger generations don't think they need desktop operating systems, leaving them exclusively to to younger gen-X, older gen-Y, various hobbyists, and those who need a desktop workflow at work and like it enough to bring it home. The desktop will settle into its niche, like live theater, fountain pens, and a thousand other mass culture relics, and Linux will still be there chugging along while Windows and OS X (as we know them) slowly molder due to reduced profits in the desktop space. I have a kid, and yes, there's a laptop she uses, but to her it's exclusively for games and for dicking around in Roblox Studio or TinkerCAD. I've even seen her close a game, settle into her chair at the very same desk, and pull up Youtube on an iOS device. And this is from a kid who is more comfortable with a PC than most of her peers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) 2025 is the year of the linux desktop! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] MrOxiMoron@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago Yeah, and steamdeck might gain more customers too permalink fedilink source parent [–] ares35@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) if microsoft doing stupid shit with windows affected linux adoption rate, we'd all have switched by now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Or folks like myself that refuse to get a TPM just to run a worse OS. I’m fine with Windows 10. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 210 points 3 years ago (16 children) For the average consumer, this would help Apple and Google out more than anything. People want what they know. On the more savvy user side and for gamers, this move would, potentially, help Linux adoption rates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 85 points 3 years ago (5 children) It would help all of their competitors. A non zero number of people would move from windows to each of the others. Whether or not the number moving away from windows and on to each of the others is significant or not is a different matter. The biggest thing helping Linux right now is Valve's work improving the gaming experience, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Veedem@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago Even the rumor of this makes Valve’s focus on Linux seem that much smarter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zhao@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've never used Linux but if Microsoft goes subscription I'm out and I'll be learning Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] aniki@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] johnlobo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago valve would be really happy if Microsoft do windows subscription, lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (3 children) For the average consumer, this would help Apple and Google out more than anything. **People want what they know. ** Exactly, which is why this will probably work, do you really think the average consumer that's used to Windows is going to switch to Mac when they can just pay 5$/month instead? Lol As long as the price isn't ridiculous like 50$/month or some shit, the average consumer is just going to pay it lolol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Veedem@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) To start, I don’t think it’ll be a “subscribe or else” type deal. My assumption would be something like a forced S mode unless you subscribe. Second, people won’t jump right away. To start, word will get around and they’ll simply not update. Then, when it comes time to buy a new computer, the average user will be possibly swayed to look at entry level MB Airs (They often go on sale for like $750) or Chromebooks. The people who will get really pissed will be power users and gamers who will be forced to shell out money to get back features they had in previous versions of the OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. I've ditched windows long ago except for my gaming PC and the PCs at my office (I don't have a say in those though, I just much prefer Linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 5 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. Won't matter to Microsoft at all. You'll use your Chromebook to connect your Windows 365 Cloud PC . They'll add it to the Microsoft Family Plan, same one that has MS Office in it, for free when its introduced and then slowly raise the price as people get embedded into it. Gaming? You'll buy the WinBook Ultra that can handle streaming gaming or buy an Xbox. Welcome to the future, it'll be here in 10 years or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chromebooks generally encourage you to use Google's family of office apps. So I don't know about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] penguin@sh.itjust.works 85 points 3 years ago (5 children) It would help all of their competitors. A non zero number of people would move from windows to each of the others. Whether or not the number moving away from windows and on to each of the others is significant or not is a different matter. The biggest thing helping Linux right now is Valve's work improving the gaming experience, IMO. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Veedem@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago Even the rumor of this makes Valve’s focus on Linux seem that much smarter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zhao@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've never used Linux but if Microsoft goes subscription I'm out and I'll be learning Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [+] aniki@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago Even the rumor of this makes Valve’s focus on Linux seem that much smarter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zhao@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've never used Linux but if Microsoft goes subscription I'm out and I'll be learning Linux. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] johnlobo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago valve would be really happy if Microsoft do windows subscription, lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (3 children) For the average consumer, this would help Apple and Google out more than anything. **People want what they know. ** Exactly, which is why this will probably work, do you really think the average consumer that's used to Windows is going to switch to Mac when they can just pay 5$/month instead? Lol As long as the price isn't ridiculous like 50$/month or some shit, the average consumer is just going to pay it lolol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Veedem@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) To start, I don’t think it’ll be a “subscribe or else” type deal. My assumption would be something like a forced S mode unless you subscribe. Second, people won’t jump right away. To start, word will get around and they’ll simply not update. Then, when it comes time to buy a new computer, the average user will be possibly swayed to look at entry level MB Airs (They often go on sale for like $750) or Chromebooks. The people who will get really pissed will be power users and gamers who will be forced to shell out money to get back features they had in previous versions of the OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) To start, I don’t think it’ll be a “subscribe or else” type deal. My assumption would be something like a forced S mode unless you subscribe. Second, people won’t jump right away. To start, word will get around and they’ll simply not update. Then, when it comes time to buy a new computer, the average user will be possibly swayed to look at entry level MB Airs (They often go on sale for like $750) or Chromebooks. The people who will get really pissed will be power users and gamers who will be forced to shell out money to get back features they had in previous versions of the OS. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Venutianxspring@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 years ago (4 children) Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. I've ditched windows long ago except for my gaming PC and the PCs at my office (I don't have a say in those though, I just much prefer Linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 5 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. Won't matter to Microsoft at all. You'll use your Chromebook to connect your Windows 365 Cloud PC . They'll add it to the Microsoft Family Plan, same one that has MS Office in it, for free when its introduced and then slowly raise the price as people get embedded into it. Gaming? You'll buy the WinBook Ultra that can handle streaming gaming or buy an Xbox. Welcome to the future, it'll be here in 10 years or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chromebooks generally encourage you to use Google's family of office apps. So I don't know about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 5 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. Won't matter to Microsoft at all. You'll use your Chromebook to connect your Windows 365 Cloud PC . They'll add it to the Microsoft Family Plan, same one that has MS Office in it, for free when its introduced and then slowly raise the price as people get embedded into it. Gaming? You'll buy the WinBook Ultra that can handle streaming gaming or buy an Xbox. Welcome to the future, it'll be here in 10 years or less. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chromebooks generally encourage you to use Google's family of office apps. So I don't know about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Chromebooks generally encourage you to use Google's family of office apps. So I don't know about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 70 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (38 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 3 years ago (22 children) Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] H2207@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children) And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Now that's just some bullshit and you know it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 25 points 3 years ago* (12 children) Start trying some of the open source apps on Windows. For example, try using LibreOffice for a bit and see how it compares to Microsoft Office. You may be surprised to find that the difference isn’t as big as you thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago (4 children) LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I wish. Try editing a document with tables. LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago My biggest argument for Linux is: Windows isn't going to get better, but Linux will. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isles@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I started using a lot of the same open-source tools that are on Linux as replacements in Windows to ease the transition. As someone else mentioned, most of the top projects strive to match the workflows of traditional Windows options. Some lemmy instances have huge posts of top tier open source alternatives to most things you need and somethings you don't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 3 years ago (22 children) Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] H2207@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children) And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Now that's just some bullshit and you know it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] H2207@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children) And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (2 replies) [–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Now that's just some bullshit and you know it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 25 points 3 years ago* (12 children) Start trying some of the open source apps on Windows. For example, try using LibreOffice for a bit and see how it compares to Microsoft Office. You may be surprised to find that the difference isn’t as big as you thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago (4 children) LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I wish. Try editing a document with tables. LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies)
[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago (4 children) LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I wish. Try editing a document with tables. LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago My biggest argument for Linux is: Windows isn't going to get better, but Linux will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isles@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I started using a lot of the same open-source tools that are on Linux as replacements in Windows to ease the transition. As someone else mentioned, most of the top projects strive to match the workflows of traditional Windows options. Some lemmy instances have huge posts of top tier open source alternatives to most things you need and somethings you don't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 3 years ago (8 children) There might be a subscription option or a subscription tier with a windows suite like office and stuff included in it, but for normal windows OS, they're decades away from going to a subscription only model, at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) I imagine they’ll split it into an enterprise version and then multiple consumer tiers, with a "free/lite" version with ads and progressively more function or less ads. Folks that dont use a computer for more than web browsing will jump on that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Norgur@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) might as well be that they change their licensing model for businesses to some sort of Subscription. The resale of volume keys has been a pain in their butt for a long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago That honestly makes sense B2B, wouldn’t hate that as a policy but I do dislike it on the consumer front. But I’ll never use windows personally again so I really only care for how it affects the rest of the computing world permalink fedilink source parent [–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Judging by this decade I don't estimate in decades anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Neato@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Why? They could roll out W12 with subscription-only plans. Besides the contracts they currently have that specify a specific amount of security updates for X years, they can let W11 and previous versions die. No more updates besides what they need to protect themselves. It's not like governments and businesses will balk. They already pay a premium for Windows licenses and they'd probably get deals, anyways. Average home users might not upgrade, but all new PCs sold will have W12 and require a subscription if you want to be able to use most of the features. This is what happens by not breaking up MS more or imposing penalties for anti-competitive behavior. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 27 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children) I imagine they’ll split it into an enterprise version and then multiple consumer tiers, with a "free/lite" version with ads and progressively more function or less ads. Folks that dont use a computer for more than web browsing will jump on that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Norgur@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) might as well be that they change their licensing model for businesses to some sort of Subscription. The resale of volume keys has been a pain in their butt for a long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago That honestly makes sense B2B, wouldn’t hate that as a policy but I do dislike it on the consumer front. But I’ll never use windows personally again so I really only care for how it affects the rest of the computing world permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Norgur@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) might as well be that they change their licensing model for businesses to some sort of Subscription. The resale of volume keys has been a pain in their butt for a long time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago That honestly makes sense B2B, wouldn’t hate that as a policy but I do dislike it on the consumer front. But I’ll never use windows personally again so I really only care for how it affects the rest of the computing world permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago That honestly makes sense B2B, wouldn’t hate that as a policy but I do dislike it on the consumer front. But I’ll never use windows personally again so I really only care for how it affects the rest of the computing world permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) Judging by this decade I don't estimate in decades anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Neato@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Why? They could roll out W12 with subscription-only plans. Besides the contracts they currently have that specify a specific amount of security updates for X years, they can let W11 and previous versions die. No more updates besides what they need to protect themselves. It's not like governments and businesses will balk. They already pay a premium for Windows licenses and they'd probably get deals, anyways. Average home users might not upgrade, but all new PCs sold will have W12 and require a subscription if you want to be able to use most of the features. This is what happens by not breaking up MS more or imposing penalties for anti-competitive behavior. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1bluepixel@lemmy.world 26 points 3 years ago (12 children) I've been hearing a variant of this since I joined Slashdot in 1999. "Microsoft really messed up this time, mainstream Linux adoption is right around the corner!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago* (4 children) Yeah, except the Steam Deck has been giving a huge reason to provide compatibility with Linux, and Valve/WINE have been pushing hard as hell to help facilitate it. Unity pushed me to go with Godot. Unity already had a Linux editor, but this has pushed me to also move from Photoshop to Krita, since we’re in that kind of mood. I tried several games last night that were rated gold or platinum rather than native on ProtonDB. While some people provided launch options, they all worked flawlessly out of the box. I’m even the first person to file a compatibility report for Furry Cyberfucker, let’s fucken go. Piper let me configure my mouse and keyboard without the need for GHub. My HOTAS works flawlessly without the Saitek software, since I’m used to configuring buttons in-game. I tried this last year, and went back to Windows with the same “it’s not quite there” response as everyone there. But I’ve been keeping an eye on this since I had to use ndiswrapper to get Ubuntu to play nice with my wlan adapter, and this month, I installed PopOS, and have been getting along pretty well. I haven’t encountered a single issue or compatibility that outright breaks this move for me, and I’m generally stubborn as shit to learn new things. It may not be the “year of the Linux desktop” for everyone, but it is for me. If you’re expecting some monolithic mass adoption, keep dreaming, but this progress doesn’t seem to be slowing down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] PeutMieuxFaire@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Right! If I had gotten 10 cent each time I heard (or said) this I would be close to 10 € by now :D I switched to Linux back in 2006 but not everyone has the knowledge, the capacity or the motivation to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I have the capacity and the knowledge but not the motivation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wjrii@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Someday Linux desktop percentage will jump up, but not how the optimists have thought. It's going to be more because the younger generations don't think they need desktop operating systems, leaving them exclusively to to younger gen-X, older gen-Y, various hobbyists, and those who need a desktop workflow at work and like it enough to bring it home. The desktop will settle into its niche, like live theater, fountain pens, and a thousand other mass culture relics, and Linux will still be there chugging along while Windows and OS X (as we know them) slowly molder due to reduced profits in the desktop space. I have a kid, and yes, there's a laptop she uses, but to her it's exclusively for games and for dicking around in Roblox Studio or TinkerCAD. I've even seen her close a game, settle into her chair at the very same desk, and pull up Youtube on an iOS device. And this is from a kid who is more comfortable with a PC than most of her peers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) 2025 is the year of the linux desktop! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago* (4 children) Yeah, except the Steam Deck has been giving a huge reason to provide compatibility with Linux, and Valve/WINE have been pushing hard as hell to help facilitate it. Unity pushed me to go with Godot. Unity already had a Linux editor, but this has pushed me to also move from Photoshop to Krita, since we’re in that kind of mood. I tried several games last night that were rated gold or platinum rather than native on ProtonDB. While some people provided launch options, they all worked flawlessly out of the box. I’m even the first person to file a compatibility report for Furry Cyberfucker, let’s fucken go. Piper let me configure my mouse and keyboard without the need for GHub. My HOTAS works flawlessly without the Saitek software, since I’m used to configuring buttons in-game. I tried this last year, and went back to Windows with the same “it’s not quite there” response as everyone there. But I’ve been keeping an eye on this since I had to use ndiswrapper to get Ubuntu to play nice with my wlan adapter, and this month, I installed PopOS, and have been getting along pretty well. I haven’t encountered a single issue or compatibility that outright breaks this move for me, and I’m generally stubborn as shit to learn new things. It may not be the “year of the Linux desktop” for everyone, but it is for me. If you’re expecting some monolithic mass adoption, keep dreaming, but this progress doesn’t seem to be slowing down. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] PeutMieuxFaire@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Right! If I had gotten 10 cent each time I heard (or said) this I would be close to 10 € by now :D I switched to Linux back in 2006 but not everyone has the knowledge, the capacity or the motivation to do so. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I have the capacity and the knowledge but not the motivation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I have the capacity and the knowledge but not the motivation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wjrii@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Someday Linux desktop percentage will jump up, but not how the optimists have thought. It's going to be more because the younger generations don't think they need desktop operating systems, leaving them exclusively to to younger gen-X, older gen-Y, various hobbyists, and those who need a desktop workflow at work and like it enough to bring it home. The desktop will settle into its niche, like live theater, fountain pens, and a thousand other mass culture relics, and Linux will still be there chugging along while Windows and OS X (as we know them) slowly molder due to reduced profits in the desktop space. I have a kid, and yes, there's a laptop she uses, but to her it's exclusively for games and for dicking around in Roblox Studio or TinkerCAD. I've even seen her close a game, settle into her chair at the very same desk, and pull up Youtube on an iOS device. And this is from a kid who is more comfortable with a PC than most of her peers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) 2025 is the year of the linux desktop! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] MrOxiMoron@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago Yeah, and steamdeck might gain more customers too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ares35@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) if microsoft doing stupid shit with windows affected linux adoption rate, we'd all have switched by now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Or folks like myself that refuse to get a TPM just to run a worse OS. I’m fine with Windows 10. permalink fedilink source parent