▲ 942 ▼ Windows 12 May Require a Subscription (www.pcmag.com) submitted 3 years ago by billiam0202@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 667 comments fedilink hide all child comments [A]n INI configuration file in the Windows Canary channel, discovered by German website Deskmodder, includes references to a "Subscription Edition," "Subscription Type," and a "subscription status."
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 70 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (38 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 3 years ago (22 children) Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I'm dead! It has a song! permalink fedilink source parent [–] H2207@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children) And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ourob@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface. The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago That's the one! permalink fedilink source parent [–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent [–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 3 years ago When you think of a word processor you think of Word. Only if you're a cretin! The only thing one should envision when thinking of a word processor is WordPerfect 1.21a for the Apple IIgs! Envisioning Calligra Words is also acceptable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Now that's just some bullshit and you know it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago Haven’t used windows by choice in over a decade, and no regrets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Then save yourself and use a Mac! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] papabobolious@feddit.nu 1 point 3 years ago I think the general consumer mostly uses the web browser tbh. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 25 points 3 years ago* (12 children) Start trying some of the open source apps on Windows. For example, try using LibreOffice for a bit and see how it compares to Microsoft Office. You may be surprised to find that the difference isn’t as big as you thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago (4 children) LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) Don't they both use the open format now? .odt? I haven't needed to use an office suite for a while, but I would have thought that it would force compatibility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Word does not use odt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Sorry, first chance I've had to check. I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice. OpenDocument Text (*.odt) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I wish. Try editing a document with tables. LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago Since most companies are moving their tools to web-based versions, the switch will be even easier. Office already has extensive een versions. They're not entirely there yet, but good enough if you don't need advanced functionality. permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) It does the same job but when you're using it constantly the small QOL things really matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Unfortunately the difference is huge. It's not just the cost of learning a new tool, it's that 10% of really important features are not there. For me for example it was the ability to apply a theme to an existing presentation in Impress. Well in the corporate world, it's mandatory. Using Linux daily since 99, as my only personal OS since 2013, and still struggling with the office alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago My biggest argument for Linux is: Windows isn't going to get better, but Linux will. permalink fedilink source parent [–] isles@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I started using a lot of the same open-source tools that are on Linux as replacements in Windows to ease the transition. As someone else mentioned, most of the top projects strive to match the workflows of traditional Windows options. Some lemmy instances have huge posts of top tier open source alternatives to most things you need and somethings you don't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 3 years ago (22 children) Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] glimse@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I'm dead! It has a song! permalink fedilink source parent [–] H2207@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children) And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ourob@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface. The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago That's the one! permalink fedilink source parent [–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent [–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 3 years ago When you think of a word processor you think of Word. Only if you're a cretin! The only thing one should envision when thinking of a word processor is WordPerfect 1.21a for the Apple IIgs! Envisioning Calligra Words is also acceptable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Now that's just some bullshit and you know it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago Haven’t used windows by choice in over a decade, and no regrets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Then save yourself and use a Mac! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] papabobolious@feddit.nu 1 point 3 years ago I think the general consumer mostly uses the web browser tbh. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 33 points 3 years ago Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eezyville@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 years ago (3 children) Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 years ago Yes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I'm dead! It has a song! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deadsenator@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is: https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I'm dead! It has a song! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 1 point 1 year ago I'm dead! It has a song! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] H2207@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (11 children) And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ourob@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface. The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago That's the one! permalink fedilink source parent [–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent [–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 3 years ago When you think of a word processor you think of Word. Only if you're a cretin! The only thing one should envision when thinking of a word processor is WordPerfect 1.21a for the Apple IIgs! Envisioning Calligra Words is also acceptable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago* (7 children) I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that... Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore.. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ourob@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface. The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago That's the one! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 years ago (4 children) They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ourob@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface. The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ourob@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 years ago I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface. The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] pirat@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes. Grab your mswords! 🤓 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheCannonball@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago That's the one! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Packopus@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* @solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore. @billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] riskable@programming.dev 0 points 3 years ago When you think of a word processor you think of Word. Only if you're a cretin! The only thing one should envision when thinking of a word processor is WordPerfect 1.21a for the Apple IIgs! Envisioning Calligra Words is also acceptable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uncle_Iroh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Now that's just some bullshit and you know it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago Haven’t used windows by choice in over a decade, and no regrets. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago Haven’t used windows by choice in over a decade, and no regrets. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nelots@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago (2 children) Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Then save yourself and use a Mac! /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] papabobolious@feddit.nu 1 point 3 years ago I think the general consumer mostly uses the web browser tbh. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Then save yourself and use a Mac! /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] papabobolious@feddit.nu 1 point 3 years ago I think the general consumer mostly uses the web browser tbh. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 25 points 3 years ago* (12 children) Start trying some of the open source apps on Windows. For example, try using LibreOffice for a bit and see how it compares to Microsoft Office. You may be surprised to find that the difference isn’t as big as you thought. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago (4 children) LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) Don't they both use the open format now? .odt? I haven't needed to use an office suite for a while, but I would have thought that it would force compatibility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Word does not use odt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Sorry, first chance I've had to check. I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice. OpenDocument Text (*.odt) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I wish. Try editing a document with tables. LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago Since most companies are moving their tools to web-based versions, the switch will be even easier. Office already has extensive een versions. They're not entirely there yet, but good enough if you don't need advanced functionality. permalink fedilink source parent [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) It does the same job but when you're using it constantly the small QOL things really matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent [–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Unfortunately the difference is huge. It's not just the cost of learning a new tool, it's that 10% of really important features are not there. For me for example it was the ability to apply a theme to an existing presentation in Impress. Well in the corporate world, it's mandatory. Using Linux daily since 99, as my only personal OS since 2013, and still struggling with the office alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago (4 children) LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) Don't they both use the open format now? .odt? I haven't needed to use an office suite for a while, but I would have thought that it would force compatibility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Word does not use odt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Sorry, first chance I've had to check. I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice. OpenDocument Text (*.odt) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 years ago (2 children) Don't they both use the open format now? .odt? I haven't needed to use an office suite for a while, but I would have thought that it would force compatibility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Word does not use odt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Sorry, first chance I've had to check. I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice. OpenDocument Text (*.odt) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Word does not use odt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Sorry, first chance I've had to check. I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice. OpenDocument Text (*.odt) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago Sorry, first chance I've had to check. I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice. OpenDocument Text (*.odt) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I wish. Try editing a document with tables. LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago Since most companies are moving their tools to web-based versions, the switch will be even easier. Office already has extensive een versions. They're not entirely there yet, but good enough if you don't need advanced functionality. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) It does the same job but when you're using it constantly the small QOL things really matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) It does the same job but when you're using it constantly the small QOL things really matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mbp@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Unfortunately the difference is huge. It's not just the cost of learning a new tool, it's that 10% of really important features are not there. For me for example it was the ability to apply a theme to an existing presentation in Impress. Well in the corporate world, it's mandatory. Using Linux daily since 99, as my only personal OS since 2013, and still struggling with the office alternatives. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 3 years ago My biggest argument for Linux is: Windows isn't going to get better, but Linux will. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] isles@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I started using a lot of the same open-source tools that are on Linux as replacements in Windows to ease the transition. As someone else mentioned, most of the top projects strive to match the workflows of traditional Windows options. Some lemmy instances have huge posts of top tier open source alternatives to most things you need and somethings you don't. permalink fedilink source parent