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The worst part is, they're partnering with Tencent.
Telegram is dead.
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Telegram_in_Russia
"On 18 June 2020 Roskomnadzor lifted its ban on Telegram after it 'agrees to help with extremism investigations'."
That should be enough information. I'm on Signal, waiting for Matrix to perhaps stop sucking before I die of old age.
Am also gonna stick with signal, eyeing up matrix. But what issues? The only reason i haven't tested it out yet is none of my friends seem too keen on trying it.
For a lack of a better term: jank. Too much jank. For one instance, I have never seen in Whatsapp or Signal the phrase "unable to decrypt message". I can deal with that personally, but >90% of the people I need to communicate to with messengers will drop a service and never look back if they see that.
I use it with many friends and it is super buggy. Calls work only ok on browser version of Element, bugs in encryption are common where you cannot read a message, Synapse server is bloating the database and not clean after itself, etc.
It's getting better month by month, but still can't recommend for your friends that are not technical people into open source. Better wait to not discourage them now.
It looks like the partnership with Tencent only extends to their Web3 blockchain thing, and there doesn't seem to be any partnership in the main app so it's not the end of the world - at least, for now.
Also, what even is this TON blockchain? I never knew Telegram had anything to do with crypto :/
Yeah, nah. Anything the CCP can slip it’s slimy festering little dick into, it will.
There’s no way in hell that Telegram is secure.
I guess, but I don't see how much they can really influence Telegram without any stake in the app itself. They only seem to have a deal for cloud-hosting with the TON Foundation, a non-critical part of the app, and even that appears to be non-exclusive. So if Tencent tries to force a bad decision onto Telegram, what's stopping them from severing ties and moving everything over to another provider?
Of course, we don't know what the situation will be like in the future, but at this present moment, I don't think Telegram's security has been breached by this. (Also I think you triple-posted this comment)
Apologies for triple post. Lemmy seems a bit unresponsive so sometimes I hit ‘post’ a couple of times without realising that it actually registered.
Telegram is partnering with tencent??
They are renting server space off a big company, not much different than AWS or Azure.
Except that it is
You are just used to aws. They are a shit company too.
Tencent is a CCP front. No way they are just letting Telegram operate on their hardware without snooping some. No guarantees about data security when you're operating on someone else's switches.
Yeah, sure. Totally different from having backdoors to the NSA or collecting massive amounts of personal data for targeted ads.
EDIT: You can't trust ANY company if your concern is privacy; your data is just too profitable (for them) to sit there untouched.
Amazon and Google are NSA fronts. You are just used to what you know. Our computers have chips in them made by Intel, with closed firmware. Our operating systems are made by Microsoft, Google and Apple.
I agree that it's better to be under American spies than Chinese spies but it's mostly the same idea of monitoring everyone and making sure they stay in line.
Cool. Where's your proof for any of that? You can Google my claim about Tencent.
The entire point of E2EE is that it doesn't matter who the host is.
@photonic_sorcerer What do you suggest as an alternative?
We have chat standard called XMPP created by literially the same org that makes standards for Internet and Email.
And there are other public protocols to choose from.
Unfortunately XMPP died roughly when the mobile devices became a mainstay. The way Google de facto took over the protocol didn't help either, but even without it XMPP isn't fit for the mobile-first world. The client needs to maintain an active connection at all times and there is nothing akin to push messaging, causing quite a significant battery drain. I might be unaware of some progress in this regard but this is how I remember it.
"The client needs to maintain an active connection at all times" is just plain wrong. Offline messaging is what makes it so much more fit for the masses compared to IRC (I adore IRC btw).
I don't mean offline messaging with messages waiting for the user to go online. I mean the lack of push messaging capabilities, so the user/client doesn't know there is a message waiting until they already go "fully" online.
Signal
Signal for private conversations and for larger groups Matrix. Matrix can also be bridged to telegram effortlessly.