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[–] 33 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

I feel like vapes have undone all the progress against smoking and more.

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  • [–] 10 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

    i feel like you can't have grown up in a smoking household and seriously believe this

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago* (1 child)

    People who were trying to quit via the various methods or those that quit prior to vapes suddenly started smoking again via the vapes because the tobacco industry said they were safer. They didn't mention there was 10 times the amount of nicotine in them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Community Notes:

    Vapes are safer than cigarettes, nobody in the history of ever has claimed they were safer than fresh air (city air, maybe). Independent studies done (mostly by the UK outside of the Phillip-Morrisphere) show it to be 95% safer than analog smoking, due to a lack of tar and other carcinogens produced by the burning of plant matter.

    Vapes have more nicotine in them than cigarettes but "10 times" is a nonsense number pulled directly from your ass. What mg/ml are you referencing exactly? It's commonly sold between 3mg and 6mg for freebase and 20, 40, or 50 for salt nic, one of those is probably about correct for your math, which one?

    Furthermore the reason for the increased nicotine content is the disparity in the absorption of nicotine between the ROIs, vaping it is less efficient than smoking it, and freebase absorbs differently than salt nic at that. You absorb less nicotine/hit vaping than smoking, so if you increase the nic content you can compensate for that. Of course you can overdo it too, and I also used to smoke a pack and a half a day, some only smoke like say half a pack.

    The real "issue" is the ease, for instance I can vape at my desk at work but not smoke, so I vape more since I don't have to take a whole ass break for it, but in essence I've simply digitized the Mad Men era, they used to do what I do, but analog. Then again, if I couldn't do that, I'd have a log of zyns on me, it's not exactly like I'd be nicotine free.

    BUT would it be safer for me to chainsmoke cigarettes all day, or vape a bunch? That is the question, not "would it be safer for me to vape or not?"

    Inb4 "popcorn lung." You know cigarettes have 2,000x the amount of diacetyl (the responsible chem) as vapes? And nobody has EVER gotten popcorn lung from vaping NOR cigarettes? That's because it requires the powdered form to enter your lungs and settle like asbestos/mesothelioma, which has ONLY been observed in one popcorn factory that didn't use respirators.

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  • [–] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    Yup. When vapes and ecigs started being a thing, I kicked so many pissy whiny babies out of my store on the daily for it.

    Not allowed to do that at my current job.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago

    I once owned a very popular food shop, and I always loved telling people to knock off the vapes. Now and then, someone would try to look tough in front of their buddies, and try to argue with me, and only succeeded in getting them, and their buddies, kicked out.

    I would tell them: "This shop is my kingdom, and I'm the Emperor, and what I say goes, PERIOD. Do what I say, or get out!" I would say it exactly like that, while glaring into their eyes. Few ever argued a word after that, and those that did, were tossed out, FOREVER.

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