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[–] 19 points 20 hours ago (13 children)

The October 14 Consumer Price Index showed that overall, prices for goods and services across the United States have risen 3.7 percent over the last 12 months, exacerbated by massive increases in energy costs. Gasoline shot up a punishing 34.2 percent and fuel oil (primarily used by consumers in residential heating) has skyrocketed 74.2 percent, driven in large part by oil and gas trade disruptions stemming from the United States and Israel’s war in Iran.

“That paints a dreary picture for Americans struggling with high costs, who likely won't feel any relief at the pump in the near future — especially as more potential military action looms [in Iran],” Business Insider reported on Monday.

It's a pretty cheerful picture if one's primary concern is carbon dioxide emissions.

There are three ways that carbon dioxide emissions come down:

  1. Voluntary limiting of use. I am pretty confident that this isn't going to be a dominant factor, based on how people have acted en masse thus far.

  2. Government rationing or similar restrictions on access to fossil fuel. I don't think that this is terribly politically likely.

  3. Price increases on fossil fuels. This is what's been happening.

Now, I don't know for how long those price increases will persist. But if you want less carbon dioxide emissions, you basically want one of #1, #2, or #3 to happen, and I think that #3 is probably going to be the most-realistically-plausible scenario.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

    Now, I don’t know for how long those price increases will persist

    Years. We're not getting out of Iran for years. There's no reason to think this forever war is going to be any different than the forever wars of the past, because remember, the Democratic majority's response when they had the opportunity to vote against it was: "Welp, we're in it, so now we have to fund it."

    And the billionaire oil barons and war profiteers are making the decision makers generationally wealthy.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago* (1 child)

    I don't think that Trump is going to get an AUMF for it. His own party didn't give him one with a trifecta in place. I saw quotes from multiple clearly-unhappy Republican legislators talking about how it'd be very difficult for Trump to get one, given that he didn't consult with them prior to kicking this off.

    I mean, I wouldn't give Trump one either, certainly not with Hegseth as SecDef.

    And if the Republicans aren't going to give him one, then I'd say that the chances of the Democrats doing so are considerably less.

    Thing is, though, I think that that's more likely to extend it. Like, the American military rolling in in force would end the situation, but if that doesn't happen...shrugs Iran doesn't have much reason to stop. I don't know who else would go in and use force.

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  • [–] 17 points 19 hours ago* (1 child)

    If the disruption is temporary, it’s bad.

    High prices will massively incentivize expanding fossil fuel production, which is exactly what is happening worldwide.

    But the oil wells in the Middle East haven’t gone away. That oil will still make it to the atmosphere, sooner or later, and we will end up with an expanded production capacity.

    Additionally, war is a terrible emitter.


    Your scenarios aren’t wrong, but thing is they are all just temporary symptoms. The oil crises would need to be sustained, indefinitely, to stop those reduced consumption patterns from rebounding.

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  • [–] 1 point 20 hours ago (6 children)

    Trump's Green New Deal will force yankees to switch to electric.

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  • [–] 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    that'll work until there's no electricity left for the commoners.

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