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[–] 55 points 7 hours ago (35 children)

jesus christ... it's been said over a million times, the development of the linux kernel is not some fucking 5 star github repo. it goes through a shit ton of review, it's seen by a lot of eyes. a small piece of text that says it was assisted or not by ai is irrelevant if the code is good or not, which is the work of maintainers to decide.

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  • [–] 6 points 48 minutes ago

    Because rules have to be enforced, and investing time and effort into detecting and punishing rule-breakers would be a pointless endeavor when, disclosure/AI or not, all code has to be reviewed anyway.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

    On the contrary, a small piece of text that says “this code deserves more review because humans may not have seen it” is absolutely necessary.

    All this is doing is making it so I can hide that I didn’t touch the code.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    On the contrary, a small piece of text that says “this code deserves more review because humans may not have seen it” is absolutely necessary.

    All this is doing is making it so I can hide that I didn’t touch the code.

    Why are you assuming that everyone would honestly disclose AI use if it was a rule?

    The honest ones that would disclose it to say "this needs more eyes, guys" can still do just that. The dishonest ones that would hide AI use will do exactly that whether it's a rule or not.

    The only difference here is there's no punitive action to follow for non-disclosure because that would be a gigantic waste of time when, AI or not, all code needs to be reviewed anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    I have to say the same thing I said to the other commenter; I’m really not sure that “some people lie so nobody should care about the truth” is the argument you think it is.

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  • [–] 0 points 53 minutes ago

    I have to say the same thing I said to the other commenter; I’m really not sure that “some people lie so nobody should care about the truth” is the argument you think it is.

    Nice attempt at spin but relies too much on readers having room temperature IQ to believe that's what my argument is. And just to be clear, by 'Nice attempt' I'm being sarcastic.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago* (2 children)

    because there is no guarantee the code will be wrong per se. should junior developers need to disclose this fact, then? because according to your logic their code could be wrong! furthermore, there's the fact people will do whatever the fuck they want, regardless of you raging on an internet forum about disclosure. people might not even read that shit because they don't give a fuck. so you end up with half assed policy which you cannot enforce. job well done, let's go home boys.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Junior developers’ code always goes through more review, yes. Also, I’m not sure “some people lie so nobody should care about the truth” is the argument you think it is.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 hours ago

    no, people who have never contributed to the linux kernel are "flagged" simply because maintainers have never seen this person, but there's no "junior developer disclosure policy". you could be a senior dev who simply is contributing for their first time. you could be receiving ai assisted code by very old contributors, for example, which in the eyes of the maintainers is a certain feeling of trust precisely because that person has a history with the project. i think your comprehension skills are poor, since that's not what i said. my argument is that a policy that cannot be enforced and as argumented also provide very little gain, is not doing much at all. if a policy does nothing, what is the purpose of this policy?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

    They why try to hide it? If AI is not problematic at all, why do 90% of AI bros hide it and refuse to disclose and when they do are often extremely cagey about it?

    For these types of projects, it is standardized what compiler they are building against, kernel /proc allows you to see what compiler was used.

    Why does AI, which Linus himself has compared to compilers numerous times, get a complete pass and absolutely nothing has to be specified about them whatsoever (in the anti-AI-Disclosure advocation space of course)?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 child)

    i have seen the complete opposite, just because some post doesnt start with THIS WAS DONE BY AI doesn't mean someone's trying to hide it. i recently saw a post where they shared the repo, you could clearly see claude as a contributor in the repo and many of the commits were done by it. but apparently they were trying to hide it. these kinds of complaints sound that came from people who have never used git, let alone touch a single line of code.

    the comparison is not correct. a compiler is deterministic, asking about it is asking about a standardized tool. ai is stochastic, asking about it does not guarantee reproducibility, which is the whole point, not suspicion about if the compiler did or did not translated it properly into machine code. furthermore, precisely since ai is stochastic, even if you knew which model and version you used, you'd get different results, which needs review anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    Eh, I see every 4th project post in open source communities being a cool looking project with no Claude contributed, no AI disclaimer, no agents.md, however when you look at the user's commit history on the git service, it is

    • 10-20 contributions (mostly issues) before 2025
    • maybe a couple readme or documentation commits in total
    • mid to late 2025, user starts committing 500-5k lines per day, every 3-5 days, evolving from large commits to broken up 100 commits today (following the 2025-2026 timeline where AI started doing the same)
    • exact same commit structure that AI uses, and filled with jargon
    • no comments at all on the post, or few comments but never responding to anything technical about how the program works.

    Probably some confirmation bias going on on both our sides.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 hours ago* (2 children)

    It's been said a billion times: you don't get to decide what I find relevant. The only reason these clowns want to hide their behavior is because they're ashamed of the criticism. There is no other reason to hide attribution, your patronization notwithstanding.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago (15 children)

    Completely this.

    As long as the code is good,. does it matter where it came from?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 hours ago (10 children)

    Yes, fuckstick. That's the whole point to a lot of people.

    I swear, the level of smugness of AI true believers is totally inappropriate.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago (9 children)

    we'll be waiting in the grown ups room while you figure out how to answer the question "why?"

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (8 children)

    Why is it that every single time you see someone trying to claim the role of 'adult in the room', they appear to be speaking from a perspective of being perfectly oblivious (albeit sometimes for the purpose of obfuscation)?

    Even if you disagree with them, people who oppose LLM usage for ethical reasons still exist for example.

    You aren't making yourself seem above it as you would like, you are making yourself look unable to intellectually engage with the concept.

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  • [–] 1 point 42 minutes ago (2 children)

    Why is it that every single time you see someone trying to claim the role of ‘adult in the room’, they appear to be speaking from a perspective of being perfectly oblivious (albeit sometimes for the purpose of obfuscation)?

    Did you miss the part where OP's entire argument was 'fuckstick'?

    Yes, fuckstick. That’s the whole point to a lot of people. I swear, the level of smugness of AI true believers is totally inappropriate.

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  • [–] 1 point 38 minutes ago* (1 child)

    Sure, but calling people fuckstick isn't used on a large scale to shut down conversation, there is a qualitative difference here.

    Edit: I belatedly see your point that it could have been directly in response to that, in which case the pattern recognition was misfiring and I apologise.

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  • [–] 1 point 35 minutes ago

    Sure, but calling people fuckstick isn’t used on a large scale to shut down conversation, there is a qualitative difference here.

    Maybe if 'fuckstick' was followed by a coherent argument. But instead of providing one, OP just continues to throw insults about their reasonable perspective somehow being 'smug' in some way. I'd call that childish too.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

    the discussion of ethics is irrelevant as long as we live in capitalism. there's not ethical consumption under capitalism, using ai is no different from eating chocolate or drinking coffee. you'd be surprised by the amount of slave labour that's used today. now, if you oppose because of technological limitations, such as water/energy consumption, this is a very different topic and it's not an ethical one, which to be honest is not even a very valid argument since it has been solved by open local models. then you might have an issue with the corporations behind some models, but that's not an issue with "AI". i also dislike the west, but to be AI is not israelgpt.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    "Everything is unethical therefore I don't have to make ethical choices" is bad logic and morally wrong

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    you don't understand how ethics works under capitalism. you didn't understand what i said. my point is that arguing for ethical consumption, which is the argument you're using, is a flase argument because it doesn't exist. if you want to address some of the other issues, there are possibilities for ethical change, tho!

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago

    I don't need you to tell me any of this, much less in such a condescending way, I am perfectly aware of how the world works. It does, however, amount to a rhetorical sidestep, and I know how it goes from here. Have a good one.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

    Yes.

    If a piece of art is "good" who cares where it came from? The "where it came from" is as integral to the "quality" of the art as the "art" itself.

    This is a very "product" mindset, concerned with the end result and how it serves you. Myself, and many others, are not as concerned with that or they may be against AI for other ethical or environmental reasons.

    The take you're giving presupposes that the utility of the end result is the only axis upon which to judge something.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    Yeah but that's art. Code is very much a means to an end. Code can be artistic i suppose but it does actually have to do something at the end of the day. And if it works it works.

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  • [–] -1 points 58 minutes ago (1 child)

    I disagree with the presumption that code is a means to an ends. That axiom assumes that having "ends" at all is valid and beyond reproach.

    What do we really need in life? Why must the code provide a utility to us. The same is true of every discipline.

    As a community, as a society, we can determine what problem areas we must consider "utilitarian" and what we don't. Capitalism, neoliberalism, these ideologies take utility as the given end goal for an entire society and all of it's facets. Everything must be sacrificed in the name of line-go-up.

    My chief argument is that at this point 90% of daily human needs are met, in excess, by the tools and systems we already have. AI provides utility, certainly, but why should I want it?

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  • [–] 1 point 33 minutes ago

    Definitely agree with a lot of that. Indeed in this era of abundance why do we need to squeeze more and more out of everything.

    However computing has been one of the most valuable inventions of all time. A script is usually written to automate a process. If the script doesn't work, it's useless. Not all disciplines are the same. The value of the code is what it does.

    You can certainly talk about the horrors of AI under capitalism but i don't think open source developers should have to think about it. I'd rather they make software better for everyone than get tied up thinking about how to solve the impossible.

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  • [–] -5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 child)

    But that doesn't matter! Join the crusade!! AI is either the devil incarnate or our lord and savior! No in-between (no sanity in particular) allowed.

    And as long as you have still not gone insane and argue rationally the bombardment of at least one pro-, one anti-AI post/article about Linux per day has to continue...

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