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Behind the push to make smoking and vaping illegal for a generation of Canadians (vancouver.citynews.ca)
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[–] 0 points 2 days ago* (7 children)

Because when you have a scenario where if you get cancer all you do is take a pill full of nanobots and you're cured, it's working kind of hard to find a problem with that. Admit it. It feels icky and wrong to say "It's okay to smoke". There's a part of you that feels guilty for writing what you just wrote. What if a child reads that and starts smoking because of what you said?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    Admit it. It feels icky and wrong to say "It's okay to shoot yourself in the head". There's a part of you that feels guilty for writing what you just wrote. What if a child reads that and starts shooting themselves in the head because of what you said?

    "It's okay to eat rotten food that has mold growth on" "It's okay to stop breathing air" "It's okay to tan using a UVC lamp" It's okay to jump off a skyscraper"

    The only reason why you consider one question (smoking) to be a moral issue instead of all questions is because you want to smoke. You're not saying jumping off skyscrapers is a moral issue, let along the infinite other questions not listed here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    Yes. I do want to smoke! If we cured death, would it be okay?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago*

    If something being OK or not is a moral issue. If you say I'm OK with a shorter life because I want to smoke. That is a perfectly OK statement. Acknowleding tradeoffs is logical denying them is not.

    Some people are OK with a shorter life so they jump off a skyscraper. They understand the cause and effect of their actions and still do the action. You should take similar wholeistic picture in your decision making.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    I have absolutely no guilt at saying that if there were no health problem, smoking would be totally ok ; and even sometimes recommanded, since the benefice/risk balance would become positive. Yet for now, smoking bring health issue and it is therefore better for your health that you avoid smoking. But should you smoke, it would not be wrong, but dangerous (for you).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    You and I may be standing outside Plato’s Cave, but most people are stuck inside. Imagine if we got control of the Star Trek franchise and made it canon that smoking has zero health effects.

    Riker goes to sick bay and Dr. Crusher scans him. She has a Marlboro red dangling from the side of her mouth. She says, “You have stage four lung cancer.”

    She injects him with the hypospray. “There. It’ll be gone by tomorrow. Get back to work.”

    Riker goes to the bridge. Geordi is smoking a Marlboro Light 100. There’s an ashtray on the console. Data is smoking his pipe, of course. Troi sits. She elegantly and languidly sucks on a long, glamorous Eve 120 cigarette. Picard comes on to the bridge with a huge Churchill cigar clenched between his teeth. Worf turns around and he’s got an even bigger cigar, some Klingon brand, blood red and fluted or some other kind of weird alien design.

    You and I see no problem. But everybody else would be saying, “Dear Lord! This is a family show! Do you want this to be part of their image?!”

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Soda and fast food not being associated with health problems in the USA makes that you can find such things with this products in many american productions. It makes the characters closer to the public, and so it may even be something americans like. And the brands pay to show their products. Europeans, often find it too much, because we have health sensibilisation against such.

    Old productions used quite a lot of tabaco products, also as integrated advertising. In the USA and in Europe. Until it became famous it was bad for health... Prestigious sports such as Formula 1, kept advertising tabaco until advertising for cigarettes got banned. And it was banned by a political decision for public health, not because of a public reaction against it.

    Health is the core of the attacks on tabaco ; if a treatment could cure health problems in 24h, tabaco sellers would soon make it a product "cool" again and make all the adds they can to make sure most people smoke their 40 cigarettes a day. That would include paying some show to dare scene as you describe. And the public would soon get used to it.

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