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Has anyone noted the pre-election uptick? (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 14 points 16 hours ago (19 children)

Except for the fact that pretty much every single progressive in Congress or on the ballot is in favor of some form of electoral reform.

But like you said, obviously nothing at all can be done, you know, besides voting for them.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

    I think you need to put more weight on their qualifier word “peacefully”.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (6 children)

    Do you have enough guns to fight the US military? No? Well neither do I.

    Which is why there are steps that must be followed. And right now those are peaceful protest and voting. Making sure everyone votes.

    The time for violence is likely coming, but it has to be after the election. After Trump blatantly ignores the will of the people.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago

    Gentlemen may cry, "Peace, peace" - but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (4 children)

    The violence in the street is already happening. The violence in the courtrooms is already happening. The violence in universities is already happening. The violence in the legislative chambers is already happening. The violence at the homes of resistant politicians is already happening. Roll over, if you must.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

    You sweet summer child, you think you know what violence is. You most certainly do not.

    No revolution has ever succeeded without the aid of the military. If the left kicks of the violent resistance too early, the military will not side with us, and in fact will join in the hunting us down part of things.

    That's why we have to follow specific steps. First is peaceful protest. Second is voting.

    Third is violence. And if we get steps one and two right, we might not have our homes bombed as we sleep.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (2 children)

    You're thinking on the right track, but honestly they already replaced all the top brass with stooges and forced most of the officer who had principles to resign. I would not count on the military intervening if trump declares himself emperor for life.

    We still need to vote, of course. But if he ignores the results, or if they fuck with the elections too hard to ignore, don't expect salvation to come from above...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Top brass doesn't matter. It's the mid ranks you have to watch for. The ones who have some power, but not enough for Trump to be able to demand full loyalty. As Vietnam showed us, when orders are unpopular, the officers start dying.

    But no, there won't be salvation from the military, honestly the best scenario is them just stepping aside.

    But if dipshits kick things off early, then they military will not stand aside. They will see it as an attack on the country and will gleefully put down "enemies of the state".

    But when Trump ignores the election results, well, there are a lot of people who are lawful neutral, or even some lawful evil, and will not support the chaos of Trump ignoring the election.

    And that's where we can win this. That and once the violence starts (after the election), the targets need to be the right ones, CEOs, billionaires, and such. Picked off in ones and twos, making none of them feel safe.

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  • [+] -7 points 15 hours ago (10 children)

    And the people who actually control the party, decide what legislation gets a vote, and punish members who go against leadership will never allow it to happen, nor will they allow any of those progressive politicians to succeed them in their positions of power. Progressives are allowed on the party bcs they help keep the left flank in line, but they will never be allowed to hold any real power. That might threaten the Wall St donation gravy train, and the Third Way Foundation assholes who have a death grip on the power structures of the party will kill everyone on Earth before they give up that money.

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  • [–] 7 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

    Ah, defeatism. And basically telling other people to not even try.

    I'd expect nothing less from .ml

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  • [–] 0 points 7 hours ago

    Tankies won't but the effort into voting but want to be perceived as serious to actually be marching in the streets.

    They have some real criticism of the dem establishment, but no real perspective that they are surrendering office to fascism.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

    Somehow not defeatism: We have to vote for the democrats, dont you dare think a better world is possible

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

    Did you vote for progressives in the primaries? Actually I don't care, the primaries are over, you fuck with the dick you've got, not the one you wish you had.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 hours ago* (5 children)

    Nice way of changing the subject. Try to relate to the actual fact that your line of thinking is defeatist.

    "progressives" like AOC the last and hardest rider for Genocide Joe or Bernie "both sides" Sanders? I'm sorry, but I'll be writing in Hillary, its her turn!
    Either that or vote third party, since thats the only way you can actually justify this batshit idea of "strategic election incrementalism" that is so popular amongst embarrassed fascists like you lot

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (4 children)

    You do realize that you're the meme right?

    Right now, this comment is the fucking meme.

    You fucks always ignore everything the actual fascists do, so that you can get high off your own ass claiming that the democrats are the real fascists.

    Fucking get over yourself and admit you like the conservatives more.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago

    > me, holding up a picture of a crying wojak with some reductive strawman text underneath
    > wowww youre like literally the meme wowww

    Somehow you people keep fucking up, you struggle to argue against the actual leftist critique of your "lesser evil" argument.
    The democrats are fascists as are the republicans. There is no practical difference between the two. You keep making up some alternative position you'd like leftists to hold, because it is easier than actually engaging with the argument at hand. "Oh do you want a grenade or a nuke?" I am arguing they are both nukes, "oh you think the republicans aren't fascists" I am arguing they are both fascists.
    The reasoning for this argument has been pointed out many times. Each time it devolves into either strawmanning, like here; the other acting willfully obtuse; or petty name calling.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago (2 children)

    i despise conservatives. i hold special hate in my heart for democrats though, because they are just such dogshit opposition and their cultists will smugly crow about every minority getting unpersoned due to their incompetence. they refuse to see how much they have in common with red maga and this entire thread and OP are the foremost example of it

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