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Has anyone noted the pre-election uptick? (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 0 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

Tankies won't but the effort into voting but want to be perceived as serious to actually be marching in the streets.

They have some real criticism of the dem establishment, but no real perspective that they are surrendering office to fascism.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago* (7 children)

    i get called a tankie all the time and i vote in every election from the municipal up.

    the democrats are not a serious opposition party, many democrats in blue states are essentially just republicans who learned how to not openly say slurs in college (think people like seth moulton)

    they squat on power and are not credible opponents to fascism, only to thier left do they actually put up a fight.

    why would they? they have unlimited money and legions of people willing to debase themselves defending any incompetence out of pure team loyalty.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (6 children)

    i get called a tankie all the time and i vote in every election from the municipal up.

    You also spend a lot of time suppressing this kind of organizing. You could be happy that its happening and that it could be the seed for something higher level and beyond electoral.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago* (5 children)

    You also spend a lot of time suppressing this kind of organizing.

    i don't spend any time suppressing elections, what are you even talking about lmao

    a random anarchist shitting on blue team online for being genocidal warmongers is not 'suppressing electoral organizing'

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

    i don’t spend any time suppressing elections, what are you even talking about lmao

    You have several comments like it. For better or worse the progressive wing does live in the Dem party and we should try to grow it as much as possible. Beyond that your critic is right, but even those dems are a chance to live and fight another day where abandoning the election is certainty of a Republican win and even worse outcomes. Minimizing harm is still important while we build out communities.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (3 children)

    a comment in an online forum is not suppressing elections.

    expressing dissent about how ineffective democrats are as a party is not suppressing elections.

    i am complaining about blue maga being smug jerks and blaming everyone but their own politicians because i would actually like them to succeed over the republicans.

    i would like to see them become capable of self-reflection and demand better from their dogshit politicians, but they prefer to act like a cult.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (2 children)

    i would like to see them become capable of self-reflection and demand better from their dogshit politicians, but they prefer to act like a cult.

    I would like to see .ml types be more understanding that their all or nothing mindset isn't going anywhere and try to build more solidarity overall.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    'solidarity' as a demand that i stop criticizing democrats is not solidarity, what you're asking for is for us to be more disciplined by that party and subordinate to it.

    solidarity is reciprocal by definition, what you ask for is not. feels like you're using it as a buzzword to extract loyalty

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  • [–] 1 point 53 minutes ago

    solidarity’ as a demand that i stop criticizing democrats is not solidarity, what you’re asking for is for us to be more disciplined by that party and subordinate to it.

    This is a shifting of the goal posts as that was never the discussion. If you read carefully:

    What I am saying is that you are taking a shit on people who are organizing. Sure its not your preferred method, but you should back them up anyway. You don't have to run or canvas the campaign, but it really takes no effort from you to vote in primaries and elections. Your words and many others in .ml are counter productive to building leftist movements.

    Blue no matter who has always been a last resort anyway.

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