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[–] inari@piefed.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Always fun how Americans pronounce "parmesan" as "parmezhan" permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) the original Italian is parmigiano, so a soft g/j sound is actually more accurate than a s/z sound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Yes on the first point - it's closer to how the Italians pronounce it. But Parmigiano and Parmesan are not the same word. The English word "Parmesan" comes from the French word "Parmesan", which is pronounced, you guessed it, with a s/z sound. The soft g/j is not more accurate, because it's a different word. It's an over-correction. FWIW, the word was in English nearly a whole century before the first British colony in America. It really is a word that existed and folk in America changed the pronunciation of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] scbasteve@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I wonder if it came from all the italian immigrants that came over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All the southern Italians. I point this out because standard Italian settled on a northern dialect as the standard. So the Italian those immigrants brought has some differences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago gabagool permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago In our defense, Italians kept coming here and eating Parmesan. It makes sense we'd pronounce it closer to the Italian permalink fedilink source parent [–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago Parmezany! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CombatWombat@feddit.online 15 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) Our unique pronunciation comes from Philadelphia, where they use the word "jawn" to mean "thing." They called it "that parma jawn", meaning like "that thing from parma" but the j became a zh over time. source: I made it up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kiterios@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Unironically though, I do think that is how i say it. It's parmesan Luc not parmesan Grey. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not unique to Americans or even the English language. In German we write it the same (Parmesan) and pronounce a soft s in that place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) All languages and country have all sorts of different historical names for foreign places or things. And that is fine. Except when Americans do it. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". That's just not okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago Sorry, haven't seen your reply earlier. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". Huh? You must have heard someone having no idea what they're talking about. :D We write it the same as in Spanish... So we have an r sound in there, but typically we don't roll the r and instead pronounce it like the French. And we'll pronounce Spanish "c" like a sharp S, but there's plenty of Spanish and Latin American people doing the same. I have lived in Bogotá, I'm allowed to do this. :D permalink fedilink source parent [–] aaaa@piefed.world 5 points 3 weeks ago Why, how do you pronounce it? In a way easily described as dialect? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) the original Italian is parmigiano, so a soft g/j sound is actually more accurate than a s/z sound permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Yes on the first point - it's closer to how the Italians pronounce it. But Parmigiano and Parmesan are not the same word. The English word "Parmesan" comes from the French word "Parmesan", which is pronounced, you guessed it, with a s/z sound. The soft g/j is not more accurate, because it's a different word. It's an over-correction. FWIW, the word was in English nearly a whole century before the first British colony in America. It really is a word that existed and folk in America changed the pronunciation of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] scbasteve@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I wonder if it came from all the italian immigrants that came over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All the southern Italians. I point this out because standard Italian settled on a northern dialect as the standard. So the Italian those immigrants brought has some differences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago gabagool permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago In our defense, Italians kept coming here and eating Parmesan. It makes sense we'd pronounce it closer to the Italian permalink fedilink source parent [–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago Parmezany! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Yes on the first point - it's closer to how the Italians pronounce it. But Parmigiano and Parmesan are not the same word. The English word "Parmesan" comes from the French word "Parmesan", which is pronounced, you guessed it, with a s/z sound. The soft g/j is not more accurate, because it's a different word. It's an over-correction. FWIW, the word was in English nearly a whole century before the first British colony in America. It really is a word that existed and folk in America changed the pronunciation of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] scbasteve@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I wonder if it came from all the italian immigrants that came over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All the southern Italians. I point this out because standard Italian settled on a northern dialect as the standard. So the Italian those immigrants brought has some differences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago gabagool permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago In our defense, Italians kept coming here and eating Parmesan. It makes sense we'd pronounce it closer to the Italian permalink fedilink source parent [–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago Parmezany! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scbasteve@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I wonder if it came from all the italian immigrants that came over. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HobbitFoot 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All the southern Italians. I point this out because standard Italian settled on a northern dialect as the standard. So the Italian those immigrants brought has some differences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago gabagool permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HobbitFoot 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All the southern Italians. I point this out because standard Italian settled on a northern dialect as the standard. So the Italian those immigrants brought has some differences. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago gabagool permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago In our defense, Italians kept coming here and eating Parmesan. It makes sense we'd pronounce it closer to the Italian permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CombatWombat@feddit.online 15 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child) Our unique pronunciation comes from Philadelphia, where they use the word "jawn" to mean "thing." They called it "that parma jawn", meaning like "that thing from parma" but the j became a zh over time. source: I made it up permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kiterios@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Unironically though, I do think that is how i say it. It's parmesan Luc not parmesan Grey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kiterios@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Unironically though, I do think that is how i say it. It's parmesan Luc not parmesan Grey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yeah, but that's not unique to Americans or even the English language. In German we write it the same (Parmesan) and pronounce a soft s in that place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) All languages and country have all sorts of different historical names for foreign places or things. And that is fine. Except when Americans do it. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". That's just not okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago Sorry, haven't seen your reply earlier. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". Huh? You must have heard someone having no idea what they're talking about. :D We write it the same as in Spanish... So we have an r sound in there, but typically we don't roll the r and instead pronounce it like the French. And we'll pronounce Spanish "c" like a sharp S, but there's plenty of Spanish and Latin American people doing the same. I have lived in Bogotá, I'm allowed to do this. :D permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child) All languages and country have all sorts of different historical names for foreign places or things. And that is fine. Except when Americans do it. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". That's just not okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago Sorry, haven't seen your reply earlier. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". Huh? You must have heard someone having no idea what they're talking about. :D We write it the same as in Spanish... So we have an r sound in there, but typically we don't roll the r and instead pronounce it like the French. And we'll pronounce Spanish "c" like a sharp S, but there's plenty of Spanish and Latin American people doing the same. I have lived in Bogotá, I'm allowed to do this. :D permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Telemachus93@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago Sorry, haven't seen your reply earlier. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". Huh? You must have heard someone having no idea what they're talking about. :D We write it the same as in Spanish... So we have an r sound in there, but typically we don't roll the r and instead pronounce it like the French. And we'll pronounce Spanish "c" like a sharp S, but there's plenty of Spanish and Latin American people doing the same. I have lived in Bogotá, I'm allowed to do this. :D permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aaaa@piefed.world 5 points 3 weeks ago Why, how do you pronounce it? In a way easily described as dialect? permalink fedilink source parent
