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[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 138 points 3 weeks ago (5 children) So we have gotten to “ordering” science to be something it isn’t. Got it. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yes, that’s right. I recently spoke with five friends of mine who are chief physicians and senior physicians in Spain, Switzerland, and Germany: They all agreed—the U.S. is no longer conducting scientific research; the CDC, which used to be a globally important institution because many countries followed its guidelines, no longer exists, since all competent staff who refused to go along with this absurdity were fired. They are appalled at how quickly this decline was orchestrated by the Trump regime, especially since it took decades to reach an international consensus. All of them have lost all trust in U.S. institutions and believe that these inhumane policies will cost hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The erosion of US soft power is the greatest gift Trump could give to Russia and China, it will take generations to recover, if ever. It’s not a crazy idea to start learning some Chinese if you work in a technical field. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Not to be a doomer, but I don't really expect it to ever fully recover. I can't really think of any other times in history when an Empire started to nose-dive like this and managed to fully get back to where it was TBH. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Honestly I don't even think the US will exist in 10 years, at least not to it's current extent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All according to the Republican plan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) While that may be true for some I think most of them are just stupid, actually correction all of them are stupid since if the US collapses it'll most likely nuke a lot of their wealth and a lot of their plans will go down with the ship, note im directly thinking of the stupid ass network city state thing that fuckwits like Thiel dragged out of the drug fueled delirium these morons seem to reside in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) 10 sounds wildly optimistic imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago I usually give my more conservative upper limits on these types of things. Frankly I think all the powder is already in the keg and we're just waiting for a spark to send it off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I don't think Russia plays much of a role here, but yes, absolutely: Trump and his henchmen are, in my opinion, merely accelerating the decline of the U.S. This former superpower is clearly on its last legs, as too many resources have been embezzled—as is typical in oligarchies. Therefore, aggression is all that remains for it, since its bloated military apparatus is the only thing left, alongside the IT sector, which is currently dismantling itself for the very same reasons that led to this situation. China is also a misanthropic autocracy, but the policies of its leaders are nonetheless far-sighted, forward-looking, and skillful, which is why China is already the superpower that the U.S. once was (albeit it's glory was bought on credit after WWII). Europe’s future, in my view, depends on whether it will be possible to shake off the influence of the U.S. and its disastrous turbo-capitalism. Unfortunately, it does not look that way, because in the strongest European countries, neo-capitalist forces are still at work, whose maxim is now turning into fascism precisely because their approach is no longer competitive in today’s world. Either way, dark times are ahead for science—and, consequently, for humanity as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chahn.chris@piefed.social -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) If it can be built it can rebuild so the “ if ever “ isn’t a useful comment. It’s exhausting when people say that. What is useful is that it could take a long ass time for sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago Do the dems want it to recover? Or even more on point, does Israel want it recover? I dont think they really do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dhork@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children) Not even the first time it has happened in the US, Indiana tried to redefine pi in 1897 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago Did they try to divide by zero too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago I'm waiting for Donvict and pals to go full Lysenko. I mean, a lot of them already did it under Covid and quite a few died as a consequence. Didn't change their mind, they still want to imprison Fauci for being right and for showing that Donvict is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Tau is better, anyway. 2 pi is always better than 1. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aaa999@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) infinite potatoes per square foot next permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But I want my potatoes to be 3 dimensional... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago But 4 dimensional potatoes let you have so much more potato per potato. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago I'm waiting for our Caligula to declare war on the sea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] skeezix@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago You voted in a clown what did you expect permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 65 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Yes, that’s right. I recently spoke with five friends of mine who are chief physicians and senior physicians in Spain, Switzerland, and Germany: They all agreed—the U.S. is no longer conducting scientific research; the CDC, which used to be a globally important institution because many countries followed its guidelines, no longer exists, since all competent staff who refused to go along with this absurdity were fired. They are appalled at how quickly this decline was orchestrated by the Trump regime, especially since it took decades to reach an international consensus. All of them have lost all trust in U.S. institutions and believe that these inhumane policies will cost hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The erosion of US soft power is the greatest gift Trump could give to Russia and China, it will take generations to recover, if ever. It’s not a crazy idea to start learning some Chinese if you work in a technical field. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Not to be a doomer, but I don't really expect it to ever fully recover. I can't really think of any other times in history when an Empire started to nose-dive like this and managed to fully get back to where it was TBH. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Honestly I don't even think the US will exist in 10 years, at least not to it's current extent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All according to the Republican plan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) While that may be true for some I think most of them are just stupid, actually correction all of them are stupid since if the US collapses it'll most likely nuke a lot of their wealth and a lot of their plans will go down with the ship, note im directly thinking of the stupid ass network city state thing that fuckwits like Thiel dragged out of the drug fueled delirium these morons seem to reside in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) 10 sounds wildly optimistic imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago I usually give my more conservative upper limits on these types of things. Frankly I think all the powder is already in the keg and we're just waiting for a spark to send it off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I don't think Russia plays much of a role here, but yes, absolutely: Trump and his henchmen are, in my opinion, merely accelerating the decline of the U.S. This former superpower is clearly on its last legs, as too many resources have been embezzled—as is typical in oligarchies. Therefore, aggression is all that remains for it, since its bloated military apparatus is the only thing left, alongside the IT sector, which is currently dismantling itself for the very same reasons that led to this situation. China is also a misanthropic autocracy, but the policies of its leaders are nonetheless far-sighted, forward-looking, and skillful, which is why China is already the superpower that the U.S. once was (albeit it's glory was bought on credit after WWII). Europe’s future, in my view, depends on whether it will be possible to shake off the influence of the U.S. and its disastrous turbo-capitalism. Unfortunately, it does not look that way, because in the strongest European countries, neo-capitalist forces are still at work, whose maxim is now turning into fascism precisely because their approach is no longer competitive in today’s world. Either way, dark times are ahead for science—and, consequently, for humanity as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chahn.chris@piefed.social -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) If it can be built it can rebuild so the “ if ever “ isn’t a useful comment. It’s exhausting when people say that. What is useful is that it could take a long ass time for sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago Do the dems want it to recover? Or even more on point, does Israel want it recover? I dont think they really do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluemellophone@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) The erosion of US soft power is the greatest gift Trump could give to Russia and China, it will take generations to recover, if ever. It’s not a crazy idea to start learning some Chinese if you work in a technical field. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Not to be a doomer, but I don't really expect it to ever fully recover. I can't really think of any other times in history when an Empire started to nose-dive like this and managed to fully get back to where it was TBH. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Honestly I don't even think the US will exist in 10 years, at least not to it's current extent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All according to the Republican plan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) While that may be true for some I think most of them are just stupid, actually correction all of them are stupid since if the US collapses it'll most likely nuke a lot of their wealth and a lot of their plans will go down with the ship, note im directly thinking of the stupid ass network city state thing that fuckwits like Thiel dragged out of the drug fueled delirium these morons seem to reside in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) 10 sounds wildly optimistic imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago I usually give my more conservative upper limits on these types of things. Frankly I think all the powder is already in the keg and we're just waiting for a spark to send it off. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I don't think Russia plays much of a role here, but yes, absolutely: Trump and his henchmen are, in my opinion, merely accelerating the decline of the U.S. This former superpower is clearly on its last legs, as too many resources have been embezzled—as is typical in oligarchies. Therefore, aggression is all that remains for it, since its bloated military apparatus is the only thing left, alongside the IT sector, which is currently dismantling itself for the very same reasons that led to this situation. China is also a misanthropic autocracy, but the policies of its leaders are nonetheless far-sighted, forward-looking, and skillful, which is why China is already the superpower that the U.S. once was (albeit it's glory was bought on credit after WWII). Europe’s future, in my view, depends on whether it will be possible to shake off the influence of the U.S. and its disastrous turbo-capitalism. Unfortunately, it does not look that way, because in the strongest European countries, neo-capitalist forces are still at work, whose maxim is now turning into fascism precisely because their approach is no longer competitive in today’s world. Either way, dark times are ahead for science—and, consequently, for humanity as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chahn.chris@piefed.social -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) If it can be built it can rebuild so the “ if ever “ isn’t a useful comment. It’s exhausting when people say that. What is useful is that it could take a long ass time for sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago Do the dems want it to recover? Or even more on point, does Israel want it recover? I dont think they really do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Not to be a doomer, but I don't really expect it to ever fully recover. I can't really think of any other times in history when an Empire started to nose-dive like this and managed to fully get back to where it was TBH. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Honestly I don't even think the US will exist in 10 years, at least not to it's current extent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All according to the Republican plan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) While that may be true for some I think most of them are just stupid, actually correction all of them are stupid since if the US collapses it'll most likely nuke a lot of their wealth and a lot of their plans will go down with the ship, note im directly thinking of the stupid ass network city state thing that fuckwits like Thiel dragged out of the drug fueled delirium these morons seem to reside in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) 10 sounds wildly optimistic imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago I usually give my more conservative upper limits on these types of things. Frankly I think all the powder is already in the keg and we're just waiting for a spark to send it off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Honestly I don't even think the US will exist in 10 years, at least not to it's current extent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All according to the Republican plan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) While that may be true for some I think most of them are just stupid, actually correction all of them are stupid since if the US collapses it'll most likely nuke a lot of their wealth and a lot of their plans will go down with the ship, note im directly thinking of the stupid ass network city state thing that fuckwits like Thiel dragged out of the drug fueled delirium these morons seem to reside in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) 10 sounds wildly optimistic imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago I usually give my more conservative upper limits on these types of things. Frankly I think all the powder is already in the keg and we're just waiting for a spark to send it off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kgbbot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) All according to the Republican plan permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) While that may be true for some I think most of them are just stupid, actually correction all of them are stupid since if the US collapses it'll most likely nuke a lot of their wealth and a lot of their plans will go down with the ship, note im directly thinking of the stupid ass network city state thing that fuckwits like Thiel dragged out of the drug fueled delirium these morons seem to reside in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) While that may be true for some I think most of them are just stupid, actually correction all of them are stupid since if the US collapses it'll most likely nuke a lot of their wealth and a lot of their plans will go down with the ship, note im directly thinking of the stupid ass network city state thing that fuckwits like Thiel dragged out of the drug fueled delirium these morons seem to reside in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* Some of the very wealthy hope to live in some weird version of The Sovereign Individual authors' vision and/or Curtis Yarvin's. With or without (extreme) wealth, if their vision were to really come to pass, I'm quite sure it might not end up the way they imagine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) 10 sounds wildly optimistic imo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago I usually give my more conservative upper limits on these types of things. Frankly I think all the powder is already in the keg and we're just waiting for a spark to send it off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago I usually give my more conservative upper limits on these types of things. Frankly I think all the powder is already in the keg and we're just waiting for a spark to send it off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I don't think Russia plays much of a role here, but yes, absolutely: Trump and his henchmen are, in my opinion, merely accelerating the decline of the U.S. This former superpower is clearly on its last legs, as too many resources have been embezzled—as is typical in oligarchies. Therefore, aggression is all that remains for it, since its bloated military apparatus is the only thing left, alongside the IT sector, which is currently dismantling itself for the very same reasons that led to this situation. China is also a misanthropic autocracy, but the policies of its leaders are nonetheless far-sighted, forward-looking, and skillful, which is why China is already the superpower that the U.S. once was (albeit it's glory was bought on credit after WWII). Europe’s future, in my view, depends on whether it will be possible to shake off the influence of the U.S. and its disastrous turbo-capitalism. Unfortunately, it does not look that way, because in the strongest European countries, neo-capitalist forces are still at work, whose maxim is now turning into fascism precisely because their approach is no longer competitive in today’s world. Either way, dark times are ahead for science—and, consequently, for humanity as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chahn.chris@piefed.social -3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) If it can be built it can rebuild so the “ if ever “ isn’t a useful comment. It’s exhausting when people say that. What is useful is that it could take a long ass time for sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago Do the dems want it to recover? Or even more on point, does Israel want it recover? I dont think they really do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago Do the dems want it to recover? Or even more on point, does Israel want it recover? I dont think they really do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dhork@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children) Not even the first time it has happened in the US, Indiana tried to redefine pi in 1897 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago Did they try to divide by zero too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago I'm waiting for Donvict and pals to go full Lysenko. I mean, a lot of them already did it under Covid and quite a few died as a consequence. Didn't change their mind, they still want to imprison Fauci for being right and for showing that Donvict is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Tau is better, anyway. 2 pi is always better than 1. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago Did they try to divide by zero too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago I'm waiting for Donvict and pals to go full Lysenko. I mean, a lot of them already did it under Covid and quite a few died as a consequence. Didn't change their mind, they still want to imprison Fauci for being right and for showing that Donvict is wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago Tau is better, anyway. 2 pi is always better than 1. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aaa999@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) infinite potatoes per square foot next permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But I want my potatoes to be 3 dimensional... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago But 4 dimensional potatoes let you have so much more potato per potato. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) But I want my potatoes to be 3 dimensional... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago But 4 dimensional potatoes let you have so much more potato per potato. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 3 weeks ago But 4 dimensional potatoes let you have so much more potato per potato. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago I'm waiting for our Caligula to declare war on the sea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago You voted in a clown what did you expect permalink fedilink source parent