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[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

BTW so you agree with me then, because the only solution you see here to throw it away. Because what I described is not hallucinated by me, this is how its operate. It was to correct you for your wrong example with looking up a single information from Wikipedia.

we have to throw this technology out the window. It seems like a bad idea to do that though.

Why? Besides that's not possible in the near future, it could be made illegal and then suddenly the biggest companies (the driver behind it) would have to stop. This wouldn't eliminate all Ai tools everywhere, so getting rid of it is probably not possible anymore.

But that wasn't my suggestion either. And we don't have to throw it away, we have to comply. It needs to change.

[-] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

And we don’t have to throw it away, we have to comply. It needs to change.

And this was my point from the very beginning. Using AI isn't bad. The problems that people have with it has nothing to do with the technology itself.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago

Using AI isn’t bad. The problems that people have with it has nothing to do with the technology itself.

We literally discussed about the problems of Ai the whole time... LLMs have conceptional problems, regardless who uses it. It is the technology that is the problem first, second problem are the companies abusing it even more and then the careless or greedy users too. Its threefold. Saying it has nothing to do with the technology itself is therefore wrong.

[-] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

LLMs have conceptional problems, regardless who uses it. It is the technology that is the problem first

I disagree with this.

And we don’t have to throw it away, we have to comply. It needs to change.

I agree with this.

The problem with everyone's panic over AI is that they can't think straight. It's like if I say that hammers are fantastic but everyone says that they are horrible because they have conceptual problems, murderous users are hitting people in the head with them, the companies are stealing wood and cutting down the rain forest to make them, etc.; meanwhile a YouTuber is caught using one and he's apologizing and saying he has a problem and his wife and family are chewing him out for using a hammer. It's sheer madness.

There's nothing wrong with using a hammer. If the companies are using enslaved ewoks provided by Lord Vader to make them, that has nothing to do with the technology itself.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

It’s like if I say that hammers are fantastic but everyone says that they are horrible because they have conceptual problems, murderous users are hitting people in the head with them, the companies are stealing wood and cutting down the rain forest to make them

Again wrong analogy just to disagree. That is not the conceptional problem with LLMs I talked about. It is a matter of fact that the LLMs are trained on data without respecting their license such as GPL, even worse when generating content. These are factual problems with the concept of LLMs. This is not like a hammer that was designed for a specific purpose, that is then misused as something else. That is not the issue whatsoever here. The design and philosophy of LLMs is deeply flawed in many ways.

The hammer analogy shows either you try to change the topic, or you don't understand the issues I'm talking about. That is completely false analogy to the issues I brought up. Same with a knife or even a game controller. Just because you can misuse it, does not mean its wrongly designed. The user didn't use it properly. That is NOT what I was talking about.

[-] lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

The hammer analogy shows either you try to change the topic, or you don’t understand the issues I’m talking about.

You're going in circles, talking out of both sides of your mouth.

[-] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

You just come up with analogies that does not address the issues I am talking about. We are talking about the source code the LLMs copy and analyze and then not respect the license. They fail to provide the source code and source material they analyzed, so we could build the Ai models from scratch. And I am not talking about the data after training.

Your hammer analogy (and others) are absolutely not addressing any of these issues. Instead you talk about the end user that can misuse the tool, which is NOT what I am talking about. And now you start attacking personally because you ran out of arguments. Just wasting peoples time.

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