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The Spanish government said on Thursday that it would deploy the army to Ceuta to reinforce security after the crossings, which saw many migrants swim around the border to reach the territory.

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[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 day ago

Some ways are more sensible than others, but the whole concept of illegal immigration emerged from racists trying to maintain their racial purity so it's fundamentally flawed from the get go.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

It depends how you look at it. Generally people respect the autonomy of native americans. I think racial purity is stupid, but different cultures do have different social systems, more diverse than what we realise. Generally, integration is a good thing rather than a free-for-all.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Generally people respect the autonomy of native americans

Uh... not really but sure? It's not the native Americans that started controlling immigration; it was white Americans.

but different cultures do have different social systems, more diverse than what we realise.

And this, a complete non-issue for the vast majority of human history, suddenly became a massive problem just as developed countries were getting worried about lesser races compromising their racial purity. Yeah, right.

Less sarcastically, what you're presenting is one of multiple competing rebrandings for a system that is ultimately about racial purity. That's how it started and it was never meaningfully reformed from there.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

If the native americans controlled immigration and had the means to do so, they'd probably be in a better position.

I'd rather if we'd stop drying to be disingenuous and bring race into the argument. If anything, the major factor is religion. Immigration between european societies isn't such a big deal as they all generally follow or were at least raised in some flavour of Christianity. Meanwhile Islamic societies and Islam itself have different values when it comes to things such as the treatment of women, polygamy, etc, that there's some form of integration that needs to happen for the two religions to coexist with each other. Same can go for any other religion essentially.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 16 hours ago

What happened to the Native Americans can be called "immigration" only as much as WWII can be described as "the Germans immigrated east." This is a complete non-sequitur.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 14 hours ago

Yep, so it's important there's a line that's drawn

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 14 hours ago

Are you just not reading what I wrote or is that your idea of a relevant response?

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 14 hours ago

At what point does immigration constitute an invasion?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 14 hours ago

When it's fucking armed and organized into an army what the hell even is this question?

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 0 points 13 hours ago

That's not how a lot of the colonisation of the Americas happened. Most of it was civilian.

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