One thing that has always bothered me is how people kept calling Palworld "the game Pokémon fans have always wanted." I put around 30 hours into it, and I just don't agree:
well at first it sucked me in mostly due to the novelty of being a new Game but once the shock value wore off it just became old. There's no real story and progression sucks, and the game is just Ark with Pokemon and I already hated Ark, not to mention this game is also buggy and unoptimized as hell even with 1.0 and while it's more excusable than Pokemon for being in the same state, it's still inexcusable
Oh and also the creature designs are not the best . Like even when I first played the game I was like "some of these designs are basically asking for a lawsuit slap from Nintendo". Like I cannot name a single Pal aside from Chillet bc it's basically the mascot now, Grizzbolt cuz I kept losing to it, or Lovelander cuz it was the mascot of that weird dating sim they released "as a joke" . I don't even blame people for thinking they used Al to create these dudes because some of them genuinely look like Pokemon processed through ChatGPT. This game basically copied and regurgitated Pokemon's art style...I know that dragon quest comparison image is floating around but you need to have serious cognitive dissonance to think that they're similar in any way.... Nobody's mistaking Pokemon for dragon quest monsters and vice versa
Plus, its fanbase is based less around their love for it but rather a huge circlejerk that pat themselves on the back for "sticking it to gamefreak" and "how superior they are to the normies" (their words, not mine)
The sad reality is that Almost nobody outside of Pokemon and SMT/persona fans care about the Monster Tamer genre, One of The reasons Palworld gained traction so much is because IGN/media, haters, and gaming influencers saw it as something they could use against Pokemon.
Overall, Palworld is not a good replacement for Pokémon. What I want is better replicated in Persona/SMT, Cassette Beasts, Monster Hunter Stories and certain ROM hacks
... what? It's not any more violent than other games and when a pal dies they just get little X's on their eyes
Yeah I dont think most folks outside of Hexbear would consider Palworld particular edgelordy. I think its pretty tame.
That's what's so weird about the edgelord stuff in the game to me. It isn't even an edgy game. It's a cute cartoony game, that just says it's horrible and bad, they don't show anything horrible, they just tell you "yeah, this cute little guy singing a song as he grows plants, he's actually your slave and is in constant pain and suffering even though you'd never suspect that if you didn't read this text." It's weirdly tacked on edgelord shit, it feels really shallow, like they got a lot of unexpected attention from edgelords from their ads and decided to just shoehorn in more edgy text to appeal to them or something.
Dwarf fortress, a game hexbear loves, features detailed combat simulations where you can read step by step descriptions of combatants biting out each others' hearts.
It features child abduction and indoctrination and torture, cannibalism, corpse desecration, carnism etc.
Rimworld has slavery, nonconsentual surgery/organ harvesting, cannibalism, corpse desecration.
Violence is normal in videogames, in general the main way players interact with a world is by destroying it, and anything creative is more often colonialism than anything else.
Palworld has some cringey writing on some of the pal descriptions, and a bit of misogyny. I wouldn't say it's much worse than other games it's just a bit tongue in cheek grimcute
I think the difference is how these features are presented
How are they presented in palworld that's so egregious? In game you can select "work hard" and pals get sad and need more time in a spa.
If you butcher a pal you equip a tool then click a button, swing it at them, and loot pops out while the body ragdolls. That's pretty much the same as every game with carnism.
You're focusing on specifically carnism while on top of that they play up the slavery and exploitation for laughs and cater to a fascist fanbase.
What playing up? As I said you can select work hard and they get cartoon sad faces and need to eat better food and use sanity facilities more.
I really don't see how it's different to a tax slider in a sim lol.
Compare to rimworld where the game asks you to put slave uniforms on, terror furniture, make an ideology around it, and put down revolts it's just goofy.
If you're saying it glorifies slavery to cater to fascists then factorio glorifies pollution and colonialism to appeal to facists, StarCraft glorifies war to appeal to facists, serious sam glorifies shooting sprees etc.
Whatever this ain't a hill to die on. I personally think it's lawsuit bait edge lord cashgrab garbage. If you like it this is not an indictment of you personally.
To be clear I have a ton of criticism for Pokémon too. Cutesy animal cruelty cockfighting sim.
I think the focus on palworld is a moral panic. It's immature and mediocre with some cute graphics. That's pretty reflective of gaming broadly.
There are interesting discussions to have about why games gravitate towards violence and destruction as the modes of interaction but holding up something extraordinarily average seems like pearl clutching.
It's not even games exclusively. We're positively drowning in films and books about (or heavily featuring) murder, war, torture, and oppression.
Palworld spends about 1000x more effort on cute base decorations than any being mean to pals.
I feel life in missing something tbh. It really is more tame than most games with guns
I also don't think that it's all that violent either (nor have I even played it), but I guess I'll put forth what I imagine the argument is.
Palworld might feel more violent and "edgy" because the Pal designs are intentionally designed to be charming and cartoony and cute, so combining it with guns is more of a shock than say, Call of Duty, where military guys shooting at military guys doesn't feel out of place. Obviously CoD is way more violent and M rated, but it's all within expectations.
Not to mention Pals are a blatant rip-off of Pokémon, a series where the creatures are constantly explained to be your best friends and partners.
Personally, I don't see it as very different than a lot of games, but I can definitely see this argument being made. I also don't like the devs for Palworld (to me, they seem like slop farmers looking for ragebait, which I think attracts annoying fans like nothing else) so that might influence my opinion.
Yeah, that's really what it comes down to.
The trailer has these cute critters and cozy pastoral scenes that wouldn't look out of place in Pokemon, then there's the guns, then there's a cut to scenes of Pals sweating at assembly lines and struggling to push giant wheels while cheerful music still plays, and then it cuts back to more typical scenes as though nothing happened. It appears to have been changed since then but I also remember earlier Steam summaries emphasizing the "yeah you force them to slave away in sweatshops" angle too. All of which is to say it felt very reminiscent of early Newgrounds flash games where the joke is that you're shooting Pikachu or the Powerpuff Girls or whatever.
I don't think Palworld is shockingly depraved or anything, but I think it very much wants to be seen that way, and that's why I roll my eyes hard whenever it comes up.
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I think Palworld isn't worth much, personally, but yeah it's pretty strange to me seeing so many people in here act like it's particularly depraved.
Then again I've seen people genuinely advocate banning violent video games entirely on this webbed site, so I shouldn't be too too shocked. There's a biiiiiiiig contingent of people here with rather puritan morals.