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Behold the future of programming (thelemmy.club)

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[-] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not really into it but one of the guys on late night linux podcast, generally resistant to LLMs and shiny new things, is a fan of speech to text for general computing, as in every input field in the OS should support speech. In a recent episode he said that he believes it to be the way of the future.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I remember ~~Dragon Speech~~Dragon Naturally Speaking saying the same thing in the 90's. It's improved, but not enough to make it useful as more than an aide for people who can't type. I do agree, that for simple accessibility, it should be integrated into every field, but I doubt it's ever going to take over.

As others have noted, that it's only technically true that dictation is faster than typing. In a practical sense, there's a fair number of reasons why that's not the case, including that usually thinking about the entry is what's the slowest, and also the errors in both are typically what slows people down.

there's also the problem of, for example, keeping entries confidential. You don't want to speak your passwords where others can hear you.

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

I remember Dragon! And ViaVoice! I saw a presentation for ViaVoice in the late 90s and it blew my tiny mind.

It really was the future. And it’s… a bit better since then. Oh god thats like 30 years ago almost

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 1 day ago

It’s improved, but not enough to make it useful as more than an aide for people who can’t type.

I don't think this is true.

There's a locally hostable model called whisper that is very impressive.

My plumber uses speech to text to send text messages all day.

Late Night Linux guy says he uses it for microsoft teams quite a bit.

You're only partially correct about input speed. If you want to dictate an email then yes you need to think about each word you want to say and the order in which to say them. Coupled with an LLM that problem is diminished because you can just kind of have a conversation with the LLM and tell it to draft an email.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You’re only partially correct about input speed. If you want to dictate an email then yes you need to think about each word you want to say and the order in which to say them. Coupled with an LLM that problem is diminished because you can just kind of have a conversation with the LLM and tell it to draft an email.

and how much of that conversation with an LLM is "No, what I want is..." because it assumed something; or just straight up hallucinated or the typo made it go off on a tangent?

As for whisper, I can find sources that are saying for American-English speakers in a not-noisy environment (aka the best case scenario,) the model has a word error rate between 2-8%. For reference, Dragon NaturallySpeaking had a WER of 3-5%. So I wouldn't say that Whisper has made any substantial improvements, and they're OpenAi. you can trust them if you want. I don't think that'll work out well in the long run, though.

[-] fizzle@quokk.au 1 points 1 day ago

I'd like to see the source that says Dragon's WER in the 90s was 3-5%. I used Dragon in the 2000s and it just wasn't comparable to the current state of the art.

whisper.cpp is an opensource implementation, although I'm not certain exactly how open.

when you're providing context rather than instructions the tendency for a model to hallucinate or run off on a tangent is minimal, because the context you're providing has it's own cohesion.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I’d like to see the source that says Dragon’s WER in the 90s was 3-5%. I used Dragon in the 2000s and it just wasn’t comparable to the current state of the art.

https://dragon-medical-transcription.com/history_speech_recognition.html, for example. a lot of adverts and awards were given to it (admittedly awards like PC Mag that were probably paid advertising... but that's why I went with Open AI's assessment on whisper at 2%.) Dragon was boasting 99% accuracy after (admittedly months) of training; and it frequently reached it. there were some gotchas in that- the months-long training was a big one. The other was that you frequently had to slow down and be careful to enunciate that you don't have to do with modern systems (including the MS versions of Dragon- they bought it out at some point)