It is two angles of attack, and it can get convoluted. I guess my goal is to throw out a couple of "bumpers" on the Nordic model like I pointed out above, and then get back to a topic that we have common ground on. Kinda like:

"yeah I agree that they have a good quality of life under the Nordic model, it's similar to my vision for what I want for everyone. I have concerns [here] and [here]. I track [other topic] more closely because..." [now you've redirected]

You can't demolish somebody's worldview, they'll need to do that themselves. Your best shot is to open the doors and windows for them to "look outside" and figure it out for themselves. This can take many conversations over many months (depends on their class standing, intellectual aptitude, etc...).