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That was the statement you were originally replying too.... That was the justification for the entire war.
Any sources for that?
I'm saying there isn't any reason a sovereign nation isn't allowed to build a bomb if they wanted.
That's a justification you fucking idiot.
When has it ever been an official policy goal of Iran to "wipe Israel off the map"?
Ahh, yes. Because Israel is part of the United States?
They were sticking to the nuclear accords before Trump unilaterally ended them..... Seems like it's the US that's not interested in diplomatic outcomes.
Ok so some guy on the internet called Chairman Meow said that. I didn't say that.
Yeah, the IAEA. It's not my job look up information for you, the site is here: https://www.iaea.org/
Much of the information is in PDF form, and very technical stuff. So shit tier "journalists" won't read it.
What about the nuclear non-proliferation treaty?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons#Iran
I think you'll find Iran is violating international law with it's actions.
When was the last time a country declared war? We stopped doing that kind of thing when it lead to two world wars and nuclear weapons came onto the scene. The way things are done now is there's escalation and de-escalation. It allows countries to back off from a war.
I'm talking about international norms and you call be a "fucking idiot". Maybe you need to educate yourself on how the world works beyond playing HOI4 or where ever you get your ideas from.
Israel is an ally of the US. Do I need to explain how alliances work too FFS?
Congratulations, you finally got one right! Yes by all reports Iran was abiding by the JCPOA. Trump cancelled that then assassinated a general in his first term which made a war pretty much inevitable. It's possible war could have been avoided had Americans voted for Harris. But broadly speaking Americans are too stupid to know when they are voting for war. They voted for the Iraq war and didn't realize that, and by voting in Trump again they were voting for a war with Iran.
If we could rewind time and tell Bush not to do the "axis of evil" speech (which was the US signalling war with Iran) and use the time machine again and tell Trump to not cancel treaties with Iran and kill their general, and if they listened, then maybe a war could've been averted.
But since time travel isn't a thing, the adults need to focus on the situation at hand and not obsess over grievances. Iran has developed the capability of building a nuclear weapon. They've consistently expressed a desire to be an existential threat to Israel. The use of a nuclear weapon would result in the deaths of millions. This is obviously unacceptable (if you're not a fucking psychopath) and needs to be prevented.
The Iranian regime has also attacked all of it's neighbours, and has targeted civilians. Iran is also responsible for October 7 which led to a war that resulted in the deaths of over 73,000 Palestinians. It's clear they will attempt to repeat this in the future. Not to mention the fact that they've killed at least 30,000 Iranians to maintain their power.
Whatever grievances Iran has does not justify the evil acts their regime has brought onto the world. In an ideal world Bush would've never made the "axis of evil" speech, Trump wouldn't have cancelled the JCPOA and wouldn't have killed an Iranian general. But that it not the world we're living. In the world we live in has Iran under control of some psychopaths that want to build a nuke.
Bottom line, these psychopaths can't be allowed to have a nuke.
Yes, and your response to that is what we have been discussing....
So it's a no then. They have ballistic missiles, but none with the range to deliver a nuclear warhead to Israel. The estimated timeline for them to have to develop an icbm is 2028. Also "IAEA reports indicate that Iran does not yet have a viable nuclear weapon design or a suitable explosive detonation system."
And only shit tier journalists are reporting on Iran.....?
It is mostly a farce, as non of the signatories actually pursued disarmament in good faith, and nations including Israel have been secretly been working on nuclear weapons programs for years. The US itself has increased spending on its nuclear arsenal by over 20% in recent years. Plus, the treaty allows nations to withdraw in case of extraordinary events.
And war doesn't exist unless it's officially declared? Wars still happen, and they are still given justifications by those who make to their own citizens and to their allies.
Because you are being a pedantic idiot.
Then why haven't we invaded North Korea every time their leader says something about blowing up the South? It's almost like it's an idiotic justification used to playcate people like yourself.
Seems to directly refute your earlier claims.......
Again, when has the official political stance of the Iranian government been to wipe Israel off the map? You don't think that might be counter intuitive to there actual grievances? They are going to save Palestine by washing it in nuclear fallout?
A Nuclear weapons primary use is as a deterrent, noone is going to risk the global political backlash of being the first to unleash the nuclear arsenal in an offensive manor, not to mention it would ensure nuclear retaliation. It would essentially be a murder suicide on a national scale.
Israel has attacked all of its neighbors, are the people who actually murdered 73k Palestinians, and the people who are still engaged in a genocide.
So Iran is responsible for their actions, but the US and Israel are not.....go figure.
Unfortunately we live in a world where the only real protection from the actual psychopaths with nuclear weapons is to develop nuclear capabilities yourself. They tried diplomacy, that didn't work, the fact that you are blaming the party that actually stuck to the treaty says more about your psychopathy than anything else.
Do you even know what an ICBM is? Do you know that while Iran and Israel are a fair distance apart, they aren't on different continents.
Because NK has nukes. Nothing we can do about them. They can oppress people, kill as many people as they want in their country, nobody can do much about it.
Are you saying you want Iran to be more like North Korea?
All of Israel's neighbours have attacked Israel. Including Hamas. It was an absolutely insane act for Hamas do do this, it would obviously going to go very badly for the Palestinian people. But Hamas works for Iran, they don't work towards the interests of the Palestinian people. If you're pro-Iran, you're anti-Palestinian.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. You're the only one that thinks Iran can fire rockets at civilian ship and shouldn't face consequences. You probably also think Hamas should be able to commit actual genocidal acts and there shouldn't be consequences.
Who protects the Iranian people from the psychopaths that build the nukes? The IRGC have already slaughtered tens of thousands of Iranians. You seem to think this is a good thing and they should be untouchable so they can kill as many people as they want. Maybe you're a psychopath too.
Do you know the distance between Iran and Israel? It's over a thousand miles, which would take their largest two stage ballistic missiles to reach, and would likely not have the sufficient payload capacity to deliver a nuclear warhead with its current range capability. The medium range two stage ballistic missiles are also very easy to intercept because their range restraints require a straight line.
And why didn't we invade them while they were developing the capability...?
Also, sounds kinda like a good reason for any country not aligned with western interest to develop nuclear weapons.....
And Israel has never attacked their neighbors? Is there a reason all their neighbors hate Israel, or is it just a coincidence?
I'm sure you know more than the Palestinians about who their real friends are.
Lol, extend that reasoning to why they would fire at the ships in the first place please.
Please.... Link one credible source that calls the Oct 7th attack genocidal in nature. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. You're the only one who thinks Israel can turn Palestine into a giant concentration camp and not face any consequences.
And now you're concerned for the Iranian people....sure. let's save the Iranians by bombing their schools, that's going to help.
Maybe if we didn't want to gain this advantage the US shouldn't have unilaterally ended the nuclear deal?
Also, nobody knows how many protestors were killed before the invasion the estimates vary pretty wildly. We won't likely know for years from know, and the war may have made an actual investigation impossible. It could very well be similar to the false reports of the Iraqi army slaughtering civilians in Kuwait before the US invasion.
I'm not saying I'm a dyed in cloth supporter of the IRGC, I just don't think the US has the right to act like it has the right to bomb any country it disagrees with.
Yeah, so... within range of an MRBM. Which Iran has. We know they have them because they've used them
Even if they don't, they've attacked Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Saudi Arabia already. Even if they couldn't hit Israel they could definitely nuke Kuwait City or Dubai. You know, the countries they're currently firing missiles at?
So there's a country that is right now terrorizing all of it's neaighbours, and you want them to have nuclear weapons. You admit they could have the capability to hit the country. They've publicly stated they want to end it's existence. So you want to wait until they have the capability of nuking Tel Aviv before doing anything? Obviously if that happened Tehran would be nuked too. So you want millions of people to die. I'm pretty sure you must be a psychopath.
So you want a scenario where millions of people could die for what? Just shits and giggles?
Psychopath.
They have launched them from their allies neighboring countries, not something you would really want to do with a nuclear weapon.
And the US is the most belligerent county in the last 25 years, why haven't they nuked anyone? It's almost like nukes are used as deterrents and not for their offensive capabilities...
Israel already has nukes?
No, you just don't know what you are talking about.
The same way multiple US politicians have said we should turn different middle eastern countries into glass? It's almost like what individual politicians say represents official policy.
Which is why any suggestions they would use a nuclear weapon in an offensive capability is laughable.
Lol, you are just foaming at the mouth for any hyperbolic justification to kill more brown people.
Again, why didn't we intervene with North Korea when they were developing nukes? Because we knew they won't use them as an offensive weapon.
Again, you haven't proven the nuclear weapons are even capable of being delivered, that they even had actual intent on using them, and how what the US has done to even stop it from potentially happening.
You know what would have stopped all of this......? Doing literally nothing. We already had a nuclear deal that prevented Iran from producing any more nuclear materials. But, the president you seem to be tripping over yourself to suck off, unilaterally pulled out of the deal.
Go kick rocks you racist fucking boot lick.