SpoilerProbably at the hardware store picking up more Phillips head screws.

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[–] 88 points 2 months ago (21 children)

If it makes you feel any better, the Phillips head was designed specifically to strip out so assembly line workers wouldn't over-torque them. It is stupid that they are the default in so many things when we have things like torx that are infinitely better.

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  • [–] 140 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    From Wikipedia:

    There has long been a popular belief that this was a deliberate feature of the design, to assemble aluminium aircraft without overtightening the fasteners. There is no good evidence for this suggestion, and the property is not mentioned in the original patents.

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  • [–] 84 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Huh...well guess I was wrong. Thanks for the info!

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  • [–] 46 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Acknowledging own error and thanking the counterparty for pointing it out with no sign of spite? Fucking witchcraft! How do I acquire this power?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Philips shape is the next step up from a flat head. Its just a double flat head sort of. It self centers and only requires 2 tooling motions if they are being ground.

    The dont overtighten thing has always seemed like a weird misunderstanding that all bit types could be designed to do that.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It wasn't an intentional feature. But, when they realized it happened it became a feature that they thought was useful.

    There are a lot of things like that, where something has a design quirk that people come to rely on. The quirk is so useful that people assume it was designed to work that way intentionally, but sometimes it was just coincidence.

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    Edit someone linked this post from tool manufacturer tekton saying much of what I described may be popular misunderstanding, it may be worth taking this info with serval grains of salt https://www.tekton.com/blog/jis-vs-phillips-screwdriver-tip-geometry-and-fastener-compatibility?slug=jis-vs-phillips-screwdriver-tip-geometry-and-fastener-compatibility

    If you like Philips aside from that feature (being self-centering is nice sometimes), JIS the Japanese industrial standard is basically the same design but its not intended to cam out, stripping the fastner

    To my understanding you can safely use a JIS bit with a Philips fastner to reduce likelihood you strip it. But you ideally shouldn't use a Philips bit to turn a JIS screw. You can identify a JIS fastner by a little dimple in the corner by the plus shaped indentation

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I'm having trouble picking out the differences beyond the dimple. What makes it harder to strip?

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    The geometry of the area the bit slots into is different

    I believe the difference is that the Philips bit is kind of a star shape, where the blades and the slots that fit together are widest at the middle where they converge, and narrow towards the outside, creating a wedge that ramps the bit out of the fastner. And with JIS they don't narrow, creating a simpler plus shape that functions like two flatheads intersecting with eachother, but with a pointed tip so its self centering

    The dot is there to communicate which kind it is since they look a lot like Philips. I believe thats also why posidrive has the little lines- so you can tell the difference. No idea what posidrive is about, maybe its similar 🤷🏻‍♂️

    Edit, I was able to find some diagrams attempting to show the geometry differences (sorry, the side depicting each geometry swaps between the two pictures)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Note that according to hardware manufacturer Tekton, the differences are smaller than you think and especially the diagrams are highly misleading as they actually compare PH2 and PH0.

    Just about the only major difference is the thread pitch and that is only different in JIS screws if they don't have the dot.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Jeez... it's like Phillips is DESIGNED to strip. WHY WOULD YOU MAKE IT LIKE THAT?

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