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NATO is failing in Ukraine (thepeacemonger.substack.com)
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[-] viertesauge@feddit.org -4 points 6 days ago

I think there are some issues with federation and editing comments because I think I edited the comment twice or so. Doesnt matter.

Germany is not Europe and also not Nato alone though and as I said european economies are still growing, just slower. And for the reneweables; europe started 10 years ago and is transitioning RIGHT now. They are definitly buying whatever they can get their hands on. The EU has every right to protect its solar/wind sector (so does china and so does the US), if that means chinese panels arent going to be as cheap so be it, but they are definitly being installed so idk why you have to be so dishonest about this.

I mean yeah of course altrighters where going to rise during the ukraine war. Its literally their job (from russias, chinas and newly techbros in the US perspective) to destabilize european countries and to stop them from funding ukraine. Its more like altrighters sharply rose to 20-30% and then plateaud. If we want to stay with germanys example I can tell you that the afd might look like its rising but it has been losing local elections left and right because people have been realizing that maybe it isnt such a good idea to have a room temp IQ nazi as your mayor. My apologies if you felt that I was putting words in you mouth there but I dont think I did. Yes Europe has many problems. No most of them existed before the war and arent caused by it. As of now BRICS is a fucking joke and chinas support to russia is coming with a hefty price. Dont know why you have to bring G7 into this when again its about all countries in the EU/Nato. Obviously russia has more people than ukraine, but how many of those can they mobilize and how sustainable is it to have 1000 more of them everyday unable to fight? Obviously the russian army is growning(would be stupid if it wasnt) and they are certainly less ill equiped than at the start of the war, but is it enough? So far it doesnt seem like it. In how many centuries will russia reach kiew if it continues at its current pace? Maybe europes economies will crash and maybe civilisation itself will collapse but there is no scenario where russia doesnt go belly up first.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago

Germany is at the heart of the European economy. But it's not just Germany that's doing poorly. France, and the UK are also in dire straits. And if any of them crashes, that's going to be a huge crisis for all of Europe. That's just a matter of time at this point.

Meanwhile, if you look at the percentages, it's quite clear that renewables cannot replace fossil fuels in the near future. The EU has no solar/wind sector to protect, but you are right that it has every right to destroy its own economy snobbing the only country that could shift the needle for Europe. The only one being dishonest here is you pretending like Europe has some plan to move off fossil fuels in the foreseeable future.

Also, absolutely hilarious that you think all the nationalists are in Europe because of Russia and China as opposed to the fact that Europe has always been a fascist shithole. And now that its crashing economically, it's going back to doing what it does best. There's also zero evidence to the right having plateaued. Every single poll shows it growing by the day.

Most of the immediate problems are very much directly caused by the fallout from the war. Europe relied on cheap Russian energy to function, and now that it's been cut off there is enormous economic blow back. On top of that, Europe has diverted an incredible amount of resources towards the war which led to austerity driving the rise of nationalism.

And if you think BRICS is a joke, what else is there to say really. BRICS is literally a bigger economic bloc than the G7 already, and these are the economies that are showing rapid growth. And I'm bringing G7 into this because that's the totality of the western bloc led by the US which is in a direct competition with BRICS right now.

Russia isn't doing any mobilzing right now, that's what's happening in Ukraine, and if you think these kinds of losses are going to have a big demographic impact on Russia then you must've failed basic arithmetic in school. https://ukrainewarlosses.org/

Also, not sure why it would not seem like what Russia is doing is enough given that it is advancing all across the front right now and is about to take all of Donbas. You might want to read up a bit of history, like what happened in the second world war to understand how wars of attrition work.

And it's actually the opposite. There is no scenario where Russia goes belly up period. Russia failing and becoming destabilized would be a disaster for China because NATO would be able to start building up forces on China’s western flank, and to cut them off from access to food, energy, and resources. So, if Russia ever finds itself in trouble economically, China will necessarily step in. It's really that simple.

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