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Aren't most developed countries begging women to have more kids?
Well it's either that, or start paying people enough to raise families. So they're going to try everything else first.
What they really mean is: we are running out of wage slaves to make the billionaires richer.
That's one of the reasons why women's reproductive health is under attack here in the US.
Amazes me that normies dont see how obvious this is. Those in power stay in power by pushing you down making you poor and forcing more children for their war factories.
Somehow this is controversial, even though it is absolute truth.
It amazes me that people still use the term "normies" unironically.
How else should I describe the less educated non technically literate ?
You can easily just use the word "people" in that sentence and it's immediately less cringy.
Are they? Are they really? They sound more like tools to me.
There are a lot of countries that boast many family benefits, but their fertility and birth rates are still falling. Like Finland.
I don't think this is a real problem. Women having more choice over when they have children is what is affecting the rates. That's not a problem I think we should solve.
Finland threw a small amount at the problem. France had the most all around approach that did show results, but it is still not enough.
Populations are going to decline. The elites are more interested in fighting over who gets to keep their stuff than on any consequences that might have for the world.
There have been several countries to throw money at this problem and it doesn't really help. The root of the "issue" is women having more control over their own bodies and reproductive health. Women are choosing to delay having children and having as many children, which isn't a problem at all except for the ruling class.
Why not build better lives for the existing billions rather than make more billions? This is what I don't get. Kids born today are going to die in the water wars or of heat stroke. No thanks.
because capitalism demands infinite growth and the only way to actually achieve that growth is to have more humans
Makes no sense at all to a logically thinking person. Nothing is infinite. Except maybe space.
I agree it's not a problem. It's even more ridiculous when media talks about the costs of caring for the elderly but ignore the costs to raise children are greater than costs to care for the elderly. A shrinking population is great for everyone but the ownership class.
Remember, if oligarchs, right-wing politicians, and billionaires consider something a problem, NO IT FUCKING ISN'T!
Right, I agree, but this conversation always misses the underlying reasons why this is happening:
Women having the freedom to control when we have children.
That's what is truly under attack when the ruling class is pushing for more and more babies. Everyone only wants to talk about the class war on this topic, but they're missing the bigger picture.
Or let immigrants in. Immigrants who might be brown.
Japan sure as fuck isn't going to do that
Then what about turning old people into some sort of paste? It doesn't need to be for eating. They would make great cosmetics, construction materials.
Partially. Immigrants are a solution to the 'I don't have workers right now, or a time machine' problem. Fertility and family promotion is about having the people to support you decades from now when you want to retire. Immigrants do tend to have a higher fertility rate, which helps, but it's still just a small part of the solution.
Immigrants want to be there. They literally choose it. Not always without coercion, but they choose it.
Immigrants are not mystically better at fucking. They're just people coming in from elsewhere.
Why tell people to fuck more? What's the actual problem with a shrinking population? If automation gets better, and it has, you can just have more of your population go into medicine and nursing and science than making linegoup at the linegoup factory.
Immigrants have a statistically higher fertility rate than the native population in every advanced economy. It's not a judgement, just reality.
The problem with a shrinking population is that it requires constantly higher taxes on younger generations, who will be under financial stress due to poor asset appreciation. Leading to political upheaval, and all it's assorted fun pass times.
For example, US social security won't have full funding in 6 years. There are several simple fixes, that are all politically toxic. So it's not going to happen, until extreme events make it happen, or remove the need through mortality rates.
I decided to respond to this for the benefit of third parties:
Notice how our faschy friend here thinks it's easier to fuck with the preferences and lifestyles of an entire country, completely derail their lives, and create *even a single person,much less the tens of millions that would be required who would exist solely to support the insane logic an archaic century old government program whose perameters-not even logic-just numerical variables-are changeable with the stroke of a pen, and that we should continue to have this government, and keep it our organizing principle.
Statists are blatantly insane, and will never hesitate to impose the map on the territory, no matter how much violence it requires.
I made no statements of preference. Don't put words in my mouth to make up for your lack of comprehension.
Your personal pet theories are meaningless if they're unable to affect the world because you can't accept it as it exists now.
Your entire theory here is about changing human behavior on the scale of a continent, in ways that are proven to fail, because the population having statistically darker skin makes you uncomfortable.
But I'm the one with no grasp on reality.
bye bye broken bot.
Yes, anyone you disagree with is a bot.
Most capitalism based economies are struggling to grow families. The birthrates in India and China have dropped since adopting western style liberalism. South Korea basically stopped having kids a generation after their civil war. Economics incentivizes poisoning people and makes no one want to have more who have to suffer through it.
Your comment is overly simplistic. This is about women's control over their own reproductive health.