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World Cup tourists aren’t leaving tips — and restaurants are fighting back (nypost.com)
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[–] 12 points 2 months ago* (22 children)

I despise 20%. I tolerated 10, maybe 15, but when it became 20 as the baseline with 30 now looming on the horizen, I am about to just say get bent.

The prices have gone up, so the tips have gone up. Why did they make the leap to 20%? Basically its like adding another person to the table.

Now I know people will say they should be paid a living wage, but from every server I know they absolutely do not want that. They want the tips, it pays better.

I don't know what the solution is. The people who make real money make far beyond that, and there is no doubt the cost of living is through the roof. I cant fault someone for wanting to get a little more, but I am just not going to keep shelling out 20% more on top of dinner that already is 2 people for $150 before tip.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    It has been 20 for like 20 years. Anything else is foolish. Any argument for 30 that involves "inflation" is stupid and doesn't understand how percents work. Like 20 or not, that's the norm. If you don't like paying it then either don't go out or go places that are cheaper so it's less.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (16 children)

    Naw fuck that. They get tipped what they earned. If it's 5$. If it's 30$. It in the rare case, 0. You don't deserve a tip unless you provide the service to go with it. If I see you once or twice, and I have dirty dishes and have to call over another wait staff to refill drinks. Get fucked.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (15 children)

    How often are you giving nothing?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    (From the service they claim to get, I'd bet regularly and at the same restaurants that remember their no-tipping ass and want them to not come back.)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah, it's like if you aren't prepared to tip the standard tip, you shouldn't go out. If people want to argue that bad service deserves less and good service deserves more, that's fine, but if you aren't even ready to consider that you'll likely need to pay 20% then just don't go.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Seriously, it isn't that hard. There's plenty of lesser quality but still very good chains to choose from in the Five Guys tier if you don't want to tip.

    Hell, guess what I do when I don't want to tip, I go to one of those lol, it's not like I don't practice what I preach here!

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Once in a great while. Is not often I get someone so bad at their job they don't deserve at least a little. It's hilarious that dumb fucks here downvote me for saying tipping is a service based monetary gift.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (10 children)

    Nobody ever said it was anything else, it's just weird that the first thing someone would say in response to what percentage tip is appropriate to say you give nothing. It makes it sound like that's a very frequent occurrence for you.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    That's the thing. 20% isn't appropriate. It's whatever the person has earned. That's what's appropriate.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    If that's your mentality then I feel you're chronically under tipping.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    That's an idiotic take.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    The standard is 20%. That means average service (from a bell curve perspective) is worth 20% of your subtotal. That's what society has agreed on. If you don't like it, that's fine, I dislike how servers are compensated as well, but it's the reality we live in.

    Saying that "20% isn't appropriate" and insisting it's instead "what is earned," when nobody but yourself suggested it, is just odd behavior that makes you sound cheap. Everybody knows tips are earned. When someone says a 20% tip is standard they aren't saying you must leave a 20% tip even if the service was awful.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    No it's not. Saying there is a standard is idiotic. Fuck that. The standard is whatever I choose to give. If you were my wait staff I'm betting you wouldn't earn shit.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    And you wonder why I'm saying you seem cheap. Despite knowing nothing about how I'd hypothetically serve you, you're already saying you'd give me nothing. Reflect on that, and I pray wait staff never have to suffer your behavior until it's changed.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I'm very fair to wait staff. I spent a lot of years waiting tables. That's why I know what they should be doing, and what deserves to be tipped. I've tipped the staff not waiting on me before when my waiter was a dumbass. I also know that they earn what they want.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Mhm, sure. So fair that you couldn't wait to talk about how you don't pay 20% and love to pay nothing.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Nope if you read my comments I never said I love to pay nothing. What I said specifically was that if the waiter or waitress is an ass then they get nothing. And if you read my other comments I stated that I rarely pay nothing. It's only every once in a great while that they're such bad servers that they get nothing. Would I specifically said was that I don't set 20% as a standard. I said whatever their service is worth as a standard. Tipping is not a right tipping is not required tipping is not something that I have to do tipping is not something I need to do. Tipping is something that is an extra it's a bonus to the service that is provided. That is literally what a tip is. Too many dumbasses think that a tip is required and expected now. If they want it to be required and expected put it on the fucking menu raise my prices and I'll pay what it's required there. Just like they do in the rest of the fucking world.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Here's the thing, you say stuff like this,

    Naw fuck that. They get tipped what they earned. If it's 5$. If it's 30$. It in the rare case, 0. You don't deserve a tip unless you provide the service to go with it. If I see you once or twice, and I have dirty dishes and have to call over another wait staff to refill drinks. Get fucked.

    totally unprompted, because nobody here ever suggested that someone always receives a 20% tip regardless of the level of service. But when you follow it up with things like this,

    Nope if you read my comments I never said I love to pay nothing. What I said specifically was that if the waiter or waitress is an ass then they get nothing.

    It certainly sounds like you enjoy tipping nothing. It reminds me of the way people get excited about revenge/vigilante fantasies, where people get so excited to see someone who has done something wrong suffer. You definitely sound excited to talk about how a lazy server who ignores you is going to get no money and how the other server who did will get their tip instead. (Which, as an aside, is fine, nobody suggested people who don't serve well should get a 20% tip.)

    Tipping is not a right tipping is not required tipping is not something that I have to do tipping is not something I need to do.

    Nobody is compelling you to tip, but just totally choosing to ignore the societal standards of how wait staff are compensated by throwing a tantrum is so weird, because you do say you tip. So I guess the real question is, who hurt you?? lol. Did you have some sort of life altering experience with a server that was so bad that you can't help but point out that bad servers exist and don't deserve tips??

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