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[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Well that’s the paradox of tolerance. You’re an anarchist, you know what I’m talking about. I’m happy for anyone to worship or not worship as they please. To believe in whichever gods they want to believe in.

  1. I'm friendly with anarchists, but I'm not an anarchist myself.

  2. That's not what the paradox of tolerance is.

But if someone doesn’t believe in a god, and acts accordingly, then they’re blinding themselves to important cultural information which could be crucial to understanding how to justly treat religious people. Here in Australia, we get a LOT of that. We get lots of people, nice people, who don’t believe in the Indigenous metaphysical perspective. And it leads them to commit violence. We have white people putting up fences over Aboriginal land, stopping people from living the way their ancestors lived, from fulfilling their sacred responsibilities to Country.

But why is that religious view more valid than others? You claim to believe in the existence of all gods equally, but then why is the behavior of other people according to their religious norms considered unprivileged, while that of aboriginal folks is considered privileged in your worldview? Is the ancestral belief that YHWH wishes the land to be divided up and put under the care of individual wardens invalid in comparison to the ancestral beliefs of aboriginal folk that it should not? Why is YHWH's wish less valid than that of Aboriginal gods? What is the criteria you use to make the distinction between one being valid and one not without engaging in rank hypocrisy?

The Rainbow Serpent made the land and it’s the people’s responsibility to care for it, not to take it for themselves.

But many religions disagree with that. Even your statement here asserts that it was the Rainbow Serpent who made the land, yet there are many other religions with many other creation myths, and many other views on how land is to be treated. You aren't acknowledging all gods equally, you're picking and choosing just like the 'religious denialists' you claim to oppose.

Your freedoms end where someone else’s freedoms begin. Other people have the right to believe in their gods, their spirits, their magic. I don’t think you or I have the right to deny that from them.

But the entire issue that this debate started over was precisely that the traditional Roman religio didn't deny anyone the right to believe in their gods; but you asserted that, all the same, the fact that their worldview had a definite view of the gods of others rendered it genocidal and evil, and a form of 'religious denialism'.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 day ago

The Rainbow Serpent made Australia. Elohim made the middle east. Sky Woman made Turtle Island. Prometheus made the Greeks. etc.

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

But that's not the belief of (at least two of) those religions. You're not acknowledging the validity of those faiths, you're creating a new cult and asserting that it's the only valid one.

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 day ago

Well of course I don't believe in the exclusionary parts. I'm considered a heretic by many Christian cults, but I think Elohim only made the Hebrews, not all the people. After all, who did Cain and Abel marry? I think it was some of the people who had already been around since before Adam and Eve left Eden. I said I believe in all the gods, I didn't say I believe in every part of every story. I believe in the parts that aren't exclusionary. Thus, Elohim made the middle east.

You'd also do well to remember, I don't just believe in one universe. Different gods made the world in different universes. The universe inhabited by the ancient Greeks, I call Greece.

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

Well of course I don’t believe in the exclusionary parts. I’m considered a heretic by many Christian cults, but I think Elohim only made the Hebrews, not all the people. After all, who did Cain and Abel marry? I think it was some of the people who had already been around since before Adam and Eve left Eden. I said I believe in all the gods, I didn’t say I believe in every part of every story. I believe in the parts that aren’t exclusionary. Thus, Elohim made the middle east.

But then what You believe exists isn't YHWH, or any conception of it that is actually believed by the peoples' whose faith you are appropriating, but an entirely new theology of Your own creation which primarily shares nomenclature and not much else with said faith. If anything, that's at least as disrespectful and dismissive as other notions of divine universality that You say are religiously dismissive. You are asserting your right to rewrite the cultural and theological notions of these faiths and claim it as the one valid way simply because it suits Your culture and theology.

You’d also do well to remember, I don’t just believe in one universe. Different gods made the world in different universes. The universe inhabited by the ancient Greeks, I call Greece.

Why then is the Roman conception of the universe invalid in Rome? Did they not inhabit a different universe?

[-] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 day ago

Actually, I once heard from a Deacon that Genesis 1 is a letter addition to the Testament than the rest of Genesis. In the original version of the story, Elohim did not create the Earth. That makes sense, because Elohim was originally just the storm god in a pantheon of other deities, some of whom were more important than Him.

I think My interpretation of Abrahamism is closer to the older versions, from before it developed monotheism.

Why then is the Roman conception of the universe invalid in Rome? Did they not inhabit a different universe?

Cause they marched off to other places and forced those places to be Rome. The Romans did a lot of the early work in destroying the precolonial multiverse. A lot of the later work was done by the British Empire. We used to have a multiverse. Different people in different lands were able to have entirely different cultures and metaphysics. They constructed consensus reality in very different ways. Then the Christians said no.

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