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Yeah, I get where you're coming from but this are the limitations of the context of therapy: it is beyond the scope to help others aside from the patient unless that is the intent of the patient but this requires insight and empathy and those are no strengths of a typical narcissist. A propos people in power and personality disorders: there are ethical guidelines preventing mental health specialists to diagnose people with disorders (like the Goldwater rule). In my own opinion we should do away with these guidelines: not educating the public does more social harm vis-a-vis democratic decline then any other implications these guidelines prevent.
Interesting, didn't know about the Goldwater rule, but also I'm not american so I guess that's why. Seems normal to not "diagnose" people publicly at all, almost mike the other way around would be more morally correct, no poblic diagnose except if it's a powerful person, and that the diagnosis will somehow help society (I understand it might not be possible because of misuse).
You're close (to what I was thinking) but I was thinking more of people like professors or ... parents. Would have helped a lot knowing "mom's a maniac" (well devoid of empathy, and more) and that it was not my fault :-)
People are not diagnosed unless they engage in a therapeutic relationship with a trained professional, their public status has no bearing on it. I gave the example of Goldwater because it is well known and it is germane to the current top of US government and the apparent reluctance of pundits to calling out the textbook example of mental disorder disguised as policy. As for people in your live I'd say limit yourself in recognising traits rather then conditions. Someone might appear to lack empathy in situations you find yourself interacting with them but unless you have a clear picture of their internal view and all the motivations that drive their behaviour linking it to a diagnosis might be myopic. If everyone would start out out of the norm or jerk behaviour as disorders the labels would start lose their meaning. In the same vain it is to say everyone is a bit autistic or I'm so OCD because I like my room tidy. Also manic is a specific trait usually unrelated to (the lack of) empathy: a mental state brought on by bipolar disorder or abuse of stimulant drugs, etc, just for your information.
Yeah knew about maniac (maniaco depressive) it was more of an example from a childs point of view with simple words, and you are right all over the board of course, and I do think alike. I'm only here with my anecdotal evidence from myself. My father has very low empathy (seen it like twice), mother is completely devoid of it (sort of fascinating now that I'm far away from it, she suffers a lot of course) and from a selfish point of view (๐ ) it would have helped me (but also all of us) if mother had a "stamp" Narcissistic or something on her (she went to therapy for several years). I could not have understood better I think, but I would have had the possibility to outmanoeuvre her shenanigans and build a working/functionning relationship with limits that could not exist believing everything was normal.
Anyways, that's just my personal thoughts about myself, and you must of course see the bigger picture. Cheers!