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me_irl
(thelemmy.club)
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If you actually look at the history of body hair removal, it's almost always been associated with cleanliness and purity and from there social status.
The modern variation started with darwinism and the assertion that body hair was more primitive and undeveloped. Hairlessness was then cast as more evolved. Spectrum of ape to human has a clear hair gradient, so obviously less hair means less ape-ish, and hence more desirable.
In the past few hundred years the evolution aspect has been giving way to the purity and cleanliness aspect again.
The sexism is in who our society finds purity and cleanliness more important for. Trying to tie that double standard back to pedophillia just makes people more prone to dismiss the entire thing.
The driving factor can be seen more in how people talk about beards, but also womens. People say clean shaven men look clean, professional, and so on. We all know what images come to mind if I say to picture a neckbeards room.
People aren't infantalizing men by appreciating a removal of a prominent secondary sexual characteristic.
For women, you said it yourself:
You didn't say "old", or any of the myriad fucked up terms some people have for women older than 25, you said "grotesque". Society finds it gross or unclean.
The sexism is right on the label. You don't have to go digging for it.
Society has significantly higher standards for hair removal for women than men, likely related to how society has higher standards of "purity" for women than men. Men have an "out" where the masculinity of male hair can also be positive, but there's no corresponding feminine hair boost.
Can you point out where I'm tying any of this to pedophillia please.
At no point have I even suggested pedophillia.
I have not mentioned sexual attractiveness to men being the focus of hair removal, nor even implied it.
I have been talking about patriarchal society valuing neoteny in women. Youth and beauty. Society. Values.
Somehow you all read what this and instead interpreted it as "'patriarchy'- that means men in angry dumb feminist speak, 'society' - this also means men, 'values' -this means what men are attracted to, 'pre-pubescent' - reeeee this dumb bitch is saying we're all pedos, get her!"
It's fucking embarrassing how poor your reading comprehension is.
Ah, excuse me for thinking that your comment about removing body and genital hair to more closely resemble a child had anything to do with an implied sexualization of children. It's only what every other person thought, and also a common claim.
You might go and actually read my comment, as opposed to throwing a fit because you dislike one sentence where I use a word you don't want me to use. I spend most of it talking about how society values purity and cleanliness, which hair removal is associated with.
I was actually trying to engage in a positive tone in good faith, unlike you it seems who I'm not pretty sure is just going for the argument and has no interest in anything other than getting to yell.
Ah, what sweet irony, considering you obviously didn't understand what I was saying.
I wasn't even talking about pubic hair ffs. You all saw 'body hair' mentioned in relation to women and assumed I was talking about pubic hair.
Why did you make that aasumption I wonder? Is it because seeing leg and armpit hair on women is so extremely rare that you forgot it existed? I wonder why that is? What, I wonder, does society value most in women? Hmmm. I wonder why that is?
Maybe because this all started with underwear?
You're clearly not interested in actually talking if your takeaway from either of my messages was to get upset about the exact extent of body hair removal I assumed you were referring to.