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A lot of people in the middle of the Bell Curve on this one
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I mean... modern guns, for sure, but early firearms? How were they superior, do you suppose?
edit: lots of replies seem to be missing the point of my question: OP is implying that "logistics and training time" were not the factors that led to the gun's superiority. If that's the case, what was?
Because you can give 200 random guys a musket, teach them how to use it, and have an effective fighting force in a couple months. A bow takes years of strength building and technical training.
That's the impression I had, but OP seems to be disputing it, implying that they were superior even ignoring logistics, which I'm not sure I buy.
How early are we talking?
14th century small arms were terror weapons more than anything.
But by the 15th century, early guns did offer advantages over bows and crossbows, albeit not necessarily decisive ones. For one, they had a flatter ballistic trajectory than either - meaning aiming is much easier. Lethality means little if you don't hit the target, after all. Troops could also carry more ammunition, as a lead ball and powder take up much less room than even a crossbow bolt, and lead balls, for that matter, could be cast by even laymen with a few basic tools (since lead has a low melting point). And bullets had superior penetrative power in comparison to most non-English bows and probably even the majority of crossbows - important in a period when metal armor was widespread. On top of all of that, firearms require very little in the way of physical attributes to use.
Basically, you get a weapon that's as deadly as a crossbow, but easier to use, able to sustain fire for a longer period during battle, better against professionally-equipped troops, and terrifying to boot.
Every development from that point on increased the advantages of firearms, and decreased the disadvantages, until firearms were no longer 'competitive' with bows and crossbows, but explicitly out-competing them for military purposes.
The killing power of a bow depends on the archer's ability to draw it. An English longbow had a draw strength of at least 81 lbs:
To kill someone with a bow like this basically required training from childhood, and produced substantial physical changes in the body. If you didn't train from childhood, your skeleton wouldn't develop structurally over the years to have the proper strength.
The killing power of a gun depends on the powder charge and the mass of the ammunition. It's not necessary for the troops to train for a decade or more to kill targets with muskets, even armored targets. You can train someone to load, aim & fire a musket in a day, and they could be fully trained to clean it, replace the flint, wrap their own powder charges, and cast their own musket balls within a week.
What about crossbows?
Guess why they did gain popularity over time, too (Even though they were banned for use against non-heathens by the pope himself), until firearms made them obsolete.
Just like firearms, crossbows require very short training to become effective. The crossbow, however, was quickly outclassed by firearms, as the amount of power in a modest powder charge propelling a lead ball easily surpasses even the power of a very potent crossbow, which, on top of that, becomes increasingly difficult to load with increasing power. The draw weight of more powerful crossbows capable of defeating armour requires a detachable lever, or even a winch with pulleys to draw. A lot can go wrong with such complex equipment. Improperly stowing the drawing winch of a heavy crossbow between shots can easily foul the pulley system. Also, there is a significant amount of energy in a drawn (but not yet loaded) heavy crossbow. The trigger mechanism has to withstand the bow's entire draw weight, while still having a manageably light trigger pull, and you have to handle the weapon extensively between drawing an actually shooting (detach the drawing mechanism, load the bolt), which risks accidental discharge.
With a musket, you have excessively less complexity, and a safer process, because before you cock the hammer and put the priming powder into the pan, there is little chance of even a loaded musket going off accidentally. Most of the risk can be mitigated by teaching your troops the simple trick of already pointing the thing into the enemy's general direction, or at least away from themselves and their friends, when cocking and priming. And after cocking and priming, there is little handling required until you can fire.
On top of that, the ammunition for muskets is superior to that for crossbows, because it requires a significantly simpler manufacturing process. Powder can be manufactured in bulk from very few simple ingredients, and requires only the correct mixing of its ingredients. Lead balls can be easily cast by anyone who can light a fire and handle a pot, given you equip them with a suitable mould. They can also be cast in bulk. all you need is a bigger fire, a bigger pot, and more moulds.
Making crossbow bolts, on the other hand, requires quite a bit of skilled labour, and time. You need woodworking skills to make straight, uniformly shaped and sized shafts that can withstand the energy of being shot out of a powerful crossbow without breaking. The bolt heads need to be made out of iron (or steel) by a skilled blacksmith to ensure both quality and equal size. The fletching has to be uniformly cut and carefully fitted to the bolts, and so need the heads. Both have to be fitted in a durable manner that not only survives prolonged storage, but also prevents either of them from falling off when being shot out of a high-powered crossbow. It's quite an involved process.
It requires considerable strength (or a good amount of time) to reset a crossbow.
Well the Church outlawed crossbows for battle ... And whaddaya know I haven't seen one in a while.
https://armscontrolcenter.org/op-ed-from-crossbows-to-nuclear-weapons-arms-control-in-an-imperfect-world/
The church outlawed crossbows only for battles against other christians though.
They were better because of logistics of training time.
...but that's not what OP's meme implies?
The format is usually that the first is right, just for the wrong reasons, while the second is wrong for the right (or at least more well-informed) reasons. In this case, its that the bow performs better than a firearm on an individual level making it seem better at first glance, but in a war that isn't as important as logistics so the gun is still a better weapon.
Right, that's what I'm asking: if the second (middle) is wrong, (i.e., logistics was not the influential factor) then what is the real reason that earlier guns were superior?
And simple logistics of making ammunition.
Making arrows is quite an involved process that requires a whole bunch of quite specialised skills. Especially arrowheads, which need to be made by a blacksmith of some skill, and expensive resources (iron/steel). But making the shafts also needs some woodworking skills, first you need to select the right wood, then it has to be straightened and given the correct shape. The fletching has to be of uniform size, too, and needs to be attached securely and precisely, or the arrow won't fly straight.
Making powder requires the correct grinding and mixing of three simple ingredients, which requires some skill, but can be easily done in bulk. The biggest skill involved is not accidentally blowing yourself to smithereens. Casting lead bullets of uniform size and quality in bulk needs the skill of lighting a fire and handling a pot, in order to melt lead and pour it into a pre-made, reusable mould. This can also be done in the field with very limited equipment.
Fun fact: the first confirmed use of firearms in Europe were shooting arrows during the Eltzer Feud in the 14th century.
There is nothing wrong with shooting an arrow out of a gun. That's how modern tank guns do actually work. But for most purposes, the benefits of an arrow don't outweigh the ease of production of much simpler projectiles.
So? I'm not trying to argue anything, just added something.
Big scary noise. Imagine being a footman walking into battle, then hearing a sound like a mountain falling over, then a dozen men in your formation fall over dead while a cloud of smoke erupts from behind the enemy pike wall. I'd be pretty concerned.
But in terms of killing effectiveness, bows at the time were better.
Not OP but I would argue that in large scale warfare, how quickly you can get your troops to sufficiently handle their weapons is one of the most important qualifiers to rate a weapon. So early firearms were superior to bows because you could train your soldiers faster on them than on bows. And I think that is what the high IQ wojak means to represent, too.
OP's meme implies that logistics was not the factor, though.