This is more than the average fossil car owner pays in gas taxes, and really bad policy during a world fuel shortage.

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[–] 51 points 4 months ago (25 children)

I’m not against an annual fee for electric cars, but it should be going to the state and not the federal government. The problems have with this are:

  • goes to the feds instead of the states
  • too high, even when using the averages
  • averages are unfair to those who drive under the average
  • money likely not fully going to road upkeep, and most certainly not to funding public transportation

Address those, and make it ten cents per mile driven for all I care.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Make it a fee based on vehicle mass and miles driven, have it apply to all vehicles and eliminate the gas tax.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    And what about states that already charge? Texas charges $200/yr for EVs for the same reason. Will we be double taxed?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well, ICE cars already are. I don’t know about Texas but certainly here in California there’s federal taxes on gasoline and state taxes. The state taxes are always explicitly paying for road maintenance, and the federal taxes pay for “infrastructure” in a vague but probably reasonable manner.

    We’re all getting lost on the weeds on this one, but in general both the states and the feds are looking to make up the revenue needed to support road infrastructure lost when someone doesn’t buy gas.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    And a reasonable person realizes that probably has to happen, but would look for a fair way to do it. A magat looks for a way to hold back any technology that doesn’t enrich their buddies

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Why would you want an electric car tax?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Gas taxes pay for road construction in most/all states. No gas means no gas tax, which means the funding for infrastructure goes away.

    I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the proposal, but that's the idea anyways.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Hmm

    Sounds like a great idea to tax the wealthy in those areas and use it to fund the public services like roads that they force their employees to use to drive to work.

    And maybe some public transit too so you don't need to use a road. Or a car. Freedom of choice and all that.

    But yeah, they're gonna try to tax them more and more because we certainly couldn't gain energy independence, oh no no.

    Wonder when the solar tax comes in. Gotta tax the sun for giving the plebians free energy. Damn commie sun.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    We do NOT want an electric car tax, but it would be fair to treat EVs fairly, especially if it goes toward transportation infrastructure fairly.

    Some of the problems with current funding

    • gas tax is insufficient. If we truly want to cover transportation infrastructure, we need to double or triple
    • gas tax is unfair, even before we get to EVs. A more efficient vehicle does not need less infrastructure spending
    • goes toward roads, almost exclusively, new projects almost entirely. I know maintenance is boring but it needs to be done, and should be what we need to solve the problem, not just default to road
    • most transportation options have been starved of funding for a century. We need to fix that. We need choices. We need more scalable support, both up and down
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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Well, you're also Canadian so it could be any price for all you care lol

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I live in the US, and drive an EV. For the record.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    IDK what the fee is for ICE cars, but here (Denmark) all cars have a yearly fee, but EV is generally cheaper, because the fee is based on fuel economy, and the fuel economy of an EV is way better than ICE.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    In the US, every car has an annual registration fee (proportional to its value) paid to a state agency. In addition, there are federal and state taxes on each gallon of gas sold meant to be used for maintenance of the roads.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (6 children)

    So is the $ 130 Fee for EV extra? Is it cheaper or more expensive than ICE?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Well, the idea of the $130 is it would be changed to EV drivers who are not currently paying the 18.5 cents per gallon federal gas tax. If it’s more or less than that depends on how many miles the ICE cars are driving, but on average it looks like the $130 would be higher than the about $90 most ICE drivers pay in federal gas tax.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Thanks. 👍

    would be changed to EV drivers who are not currently paying the 18.5 cents per gallon federal gas tax.

    That's bullshit IMO. That's like punishing people for buying a car that uses renewable energy, over an ICE stinker that ruins the environment both locally and globally.

    So they continue more than half a century of bad practices.
    My god American law makers are idiots. 😡

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    My god American law makers are idiots.

    I mean, no question there.

    But the 18.5 cent tax on gas is meant to pay for the maintenance of roads. And because it’s on gasoline, it traditionally has scaled well with the amount of wear a vehicle puts on the roadway.

    The $130 isn’t meant as “punishment” of EV drivers, only as a replacement of the funds they aren’t currently paying for road maintenance, which they use just as much as ICE vehicles. More-so, actually, as EVs are heavier than ICE on average.

    There can and should be incentives by the government to increase EV adoption, but waiving the cost of road maintenance isn’t the answer.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Except that's not how wear scales.
    Wear is also by weather, and wear from traffic on major roads is mostly from heavy trucks, and the fact that major roads have a lot of heavy truck traffic, also makes the road more expensive to build and maintain.
    Yes there is some justice in taxing the gas when all cars are ICE, but there are many other costs from ICE cars than roads, for instance asthma and global warming.

    In Europe gas is taxed accordingly, to limit the use of it, and USA has failed to do so for decades. The result is that average European cars in general have almost doubly the mileage of American cars, and now that gas is expensive, instead of the price increasing 50% like in USA, it is "only" increasing 20%, and people feel it less, because we drive more economic cars.

    There have been talks in EU that all cars should be equipped with an odometer, and road tax should be based on that.
    But that was years ago, and it seems like the idea is dead for now. But I think for heavy trucks they have something like that in some countries.

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