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Bitwarden's new CEO has a Private Equity background, removed 'Inclusion' and 'Always Free' from their website -- because of course he did (www.fastcompany.com)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world
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In the latest episode of "they will always sell you out" - they sold you out! Who would've thought.

Hoping for a good alternative client to appear, the writing is on the wall. Vaultwarden can't exist without "leeching" off of Bitwarden.

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[–] 6 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Are you calling me a liar? That's pretty weird; it's not like I'm telling you to stick to passwords while I move to passkeys. With that said, though, get Bypass Paywalls Clean (Mozilla-only, as far as I know) and you'll never see another paywall again. I forgot about having that.

Just don’t let Microsoft or Apple tie them to your device. You don’t have to do that.

The problem is that this is where it's eventually going to lead to.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Not really, Vaultwarden/bitwa4den offer passkey support. When I log into a service a popup shows on my extension, I click it and I'm in. It's not gonna lead to device locking if you don't want to...

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    except when the wide populace starts accepting it being device locked, and your opinion does not matter anymore to those making the decisions

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (1 child)

    No one of the people I know that use passkeys use it from the phone, either they use a password manager, they have passwords on a physical note, on an excel file in the desktop, a physical yubikey, or bitwarden like me. That's everyone I physically know including every family member, friends and work people.

    I know it's anecdotal, but you present your "wide populace" fact without giving sources too, and since I know no one that uses phone based passkeys, even if my experience is anecdotal, I say sus. Check your bias.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    but you present your "wide populace" fact without giving sources too

    my statement is not that many people are using passkeys today. but that if there comes a time when many people will use passkeys, they will be as careless and convenient as they are with everything else today, accepting any restrictions, because "why would anyone not use Google Passkeys? It's the most convenient thing!".

    and not only that. I was talking about device locking but that's only part of the problem. isn't it that passkey receiving services can identify the client software, and decide they will only accept passkeys from x and y clients?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    At the very least you're misguided or don't know what you're talking about. Passkeys are not vendor locked in and of themselves.

    You can make the same argument against password managers because most iPhone users that use them, use Apple's one.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    They will almost certainly lead to vendor lock in. Why do you think they won't? Apple's password manager is definitely an example of vendor lock in. Many others have a simple to use export feature to CSV or something that others can understand

    Edit: it could be that you don't know what the WebAuthn/FIDO2 specification says or we understand it differently? Do you know how the attestation mechanism works? That ties the key to a device or software authenticator (the software authenticator is likely going to tie it to the device somehow, possibly even via a TEE).

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