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[–] 67 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (55 children)

You're right.

I should give Democrats credit for all the times they held power and still didn't do jack shit about the VRA except wring their hands and pretend to be powerless to stop the judicial repeal of it. (2006, 2013, 2021, etc. etc. etc.)

After all. Actually doing stuff requires effort, and it's unreasonable of me to expect the opposition party to actually oppose things.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago* (30 children)

    My favorite thing about these threads is anytime someone like you makes an actual argument for your position, rather than the ridiculous strawman argument from the le epic meme, the Kamalaposters just downvote and never reply. Probably curled up in a corner telling themselves you're just a bot and they don't need to listen to your evil words.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    I think that, after decades of inaction at the incremental destruction of the VRA, one has to kinda admit that Democrats really just agree with Republicans. They own the policy too now, just as with every fascist policy they spoke out against and then either did nothing to stop or actively encouraged.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I tried to understand this but I couldn't figure out how to draw it as a trolley so I'm just gonna have to conclude you're a bot. Or if not that a shill. Or if not that just stupid. Sorry

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    And it's always the fucking trolley problem lmao. Libs can only hold like two surface level factoids about any given topic every four years or so.

    Not to mention, the point about the trolley problem is how it has a million complicating factors but libs are like "no, I solved it, crank on that fuckin lever or you're a monster tankie Chinese ruzzian bot"

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes I have enjoyed thinking about trolley problems since like 2010 so I feel like a bit of a hipster with them. Your point is hilarious and true. The entire thing the trolley problem is supposed to illustrate is how difficult-to-impossible it is to make a decision even in the literal trolley problem situation. Its supposed to be a fun intuition pump that shows how moral decisions are not straightforward. Yet seemingly for large groups of people the takeaway is that moral decisions are extremely straightforward because you just do what you already want to do, and also you have full authorship over the situation and its outcome for some reason. Man.... I never realized how ironic that is that people are getting exactly the opposite lesson out of it. Hilarious.

    I've had people on here tell me I have blood on my hands and AM a baby murderer due to not voting Kamala. I pointed out that, just like them, I am trying to pick a lesser evil in the short term for a long term greater good, but just over a longer frame of time and a larger group of people than they took under consideration, which really means that they're the bigger bloody handed child murderer according to their method of assigning guilt, and they're just selfishly limiting their scope of concern to people they know here and now.

    I got no response from them, and someone else just called me a stupid asshole. 🤷

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Honest take - if the Democrats are in agreement with Republicans about these kinds of rulings, then they are complicit with the slow-burn death of their own party, no? Some of them could be considered political double-agents in a sense, if that is true.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Like usual with liberals, they'd prefer losing to fascists than seeing the left defeat fascists

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Kamalaposters means what, exactly?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    Anyone posting stuff that insinuates that people who didn't vote for Kamala in the last election did the wrong thing, basically. Or sometimes just the idea that we must vote for lesser evil candidates in general, depending on how blanket the view is.

    For example the OP here is a Kamalapost because the obvious implication is that people who didn't vote for Kamala due to her stance on the Palestine issue made a mistake because the other option did all the same bad things as her plus much more. This is a really solid argument against that reasoning for not voting Kamala. The problem is that, out of the people who didn't vote for Kamala, most of them have different reasoning than the kind this post criticizes - which is why I called it a strawman. There are non-strawman Kamalaposts too (albeit a lot rarer) and I can respect those, those are just good healthy discourse.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    So is the implication that they are or were percieved as equivalent evils?

    I think anyone rational would see that a man who would invade the capital of the country to overturn the results of an election isn't very trustworthy. Voting against him is a simple way to denounce and oppose a rapist who supports strongmen and other genocides.

    Supporting Israel, or not publicly denouncing them, was certainly supportive of an evil country. AIPAC absolutely has too much power in this country. How does that relate to Trump also supporting the country? And, you know, idolizing Netanyahu amongst other fascist leaders and strongmen? (I believe we can easily say Netanyahu is as much a fascist as a gymnast is flexible)

    Idolizing strongmen currently committing genocides in multiple countries, attempting to overthrow the government, spreading false information leading to millions of deaths because... horse dewormer was touted as a remedy is equivalent to a moderate pretend-democrat conservative with bad opinions that could be changed, and opposed, how exactly? Project 2025 was already public information prior to the election. Equating a solid plan for introducing and attempting to cement fascism in the USA to that is a little weird.

    I cant quite recall the Carlin quote, forgive the extension, but its along these lines:

    "Asking about the differences between the options we have right now is like being given 2 options of airline food: Shards of glass, or (airline, yuck) chicken, and asking how the chicken is cooked."

    Like I said, poor paraphrasing. The obvious point is that a man who tripled the debt in one term and supports other genocides isnt going to attempt to stop a different genocide.

    No, I don't want to angrily tell you how to vote. I just want affirmation from potentially reasonable people that they won't attempt to equate such obviously different candidates, and such obviously different parties. Schumer and a select few dinosaurs are not the democratic or republican party, but if you consider them a negative influence on our government and democracy, I would agree with you.

    Stubbing your toe intentionally sucks. Intentionally sawing off your legs sucks a little more.

    I would like to see how this post inverts its intended meaning, and how there are few reasons to vote against fascism which has repeatedly publicly announced itself as opposed to voting for it. Im truly curious how there are less pro-Trump or pro-fascist ideas and complaints with substance and more Kamala and liberal based complaints. If the message is inverted, you must be quite knowledgeable. I do want to learn, despite snarkiness, as I clearly do not understand their equivalence

    I dont like her like I dont like airline chicken parm. Which is definitely equivalent to broken glass. 100%

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    And leftist voted against Trump by voting for Claudia De La Cruz. If you voted for Kamala, you have to spend the rest of your life knowing you supported genocide

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