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[–] 90 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Really? I find the opposite problem. Ratings are inflated and even utter trash on IMDB is 6 or 7 out of 10.

I think part of the problem is that the scale is not used properly. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would consider 5 to be average. Most movies seen are average. Average is well worth watching. 5 is a decent rating as far as I am concerned. I'll even watch a 4 or a 3 if someone tells me that some aspect of the movie was worthwhile. But most people seem to treat the scale as if they only are willing to watch 8 and above, and that anything below a 7 is trash.

It would be much better if there was a site to input your ratings and for it to match you to users and critics similar to your taste. I used to use Last.FM like this for music but haven't found anything similar for movies or TV. Ratings alone are useless because critics and users alike will swing all over the scale for the same movie. Tastes need to match.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Same as Google ratings. Like it? 5 stars. Hate it, 1 star. No nuance. If it's below 3.5 stars, absolute garbage. In Japan they somehow treat the rating system as intended. 3 stars is a solid, ok experience. 5 is exceptionally hard to achieve

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Google using Rotten Tomatoes for rating is kinda funny for me cuz imdb have its own problems for rating but i never hear people say something like β€œif a movie is rated high on RT its probably bad” about imdb

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I agree with you, but the problem is, IMDb collates ratings from thousands of people, each of whom have their own scale. I might have the same opinion about a movie, but I rate it as a 5 because it was completely average, and the next person who feels the same gives it a 7.

    I would love to use a service that asks you a series of questions about a movie and generates a rating based on that. That way, if you're honest about your answers, the ratings should match. Questions like "was the acting good?" with answers like "the acting was exceptional," "the acting was bad," and "the acting didn't make me think about it at all." But if you ask if the movie was good? If it's a movie about a working man being pushed to the breaking point and he dies, the rich man is going to like that a lot more than a working man.

    Then you have review bombing. I think the best example of this is Fullmetal Alchemist. FMA fans believe that no anime should be rated higher than FMA, so if something starts to get popular, they will organise a review bombing of it. Don't get me wrong, Fullmetal Alchmist was a good anime, but it was also kinda trash. The first series in 2003 did 20-odd episodes, caught up with the manga, then they decided to write their own ending/second half. In 2009 after the books were done, they did a remake, but the first episode was original (not in the books), the next nine summed up the first half of the books (because the 2003 series already covered that), and then the next 50-odd episodes cover the second half of the books, so you have one where the pacing is good but the story goes off the rails (IMO, in a good way, I like where they took it), and another one where it's more true to the books (except that random ass first episode) but the pacing sucks. To top it all off, the lead actor was accused of sexual misconduct a few years ago and has basically been cancelled online. It's still an awesome series, but is it so good that nearly 20 years later, nothing can be rated more highly?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    A LONG time ago back when Netflix first started its rating system was its major speak. I recall articles saying that even if you did not pay for the service, you should make an account just simply to use its rating system to decide your next watch (and then go get them at Blockbuster or something:-P). My, how things have changed in the meantime..

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That seems counter-productive, since Netflix was far cheaper than paying per movie at Blockbuster. I used to use Blockbuster the opposite way, going there to browse for movies to order from Netflix. I do miss being able to browse at a physical store.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The real ones had blockbuster deliver by mail, then returned those discs in store same day so to prompt the next delivery. I think it was a buck cheaper than Netflix at the time, too. Yargh

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    But, before Blockbuster started its own mailing service, you would have to wait several days for your video choice to arrive. Plus there's the convenience of having it mailed directly to you, especially if you lived further away from a Blockbuster store I guess. Back when Netflix had virtually nothing to watch (as opposed to later when it merely has nothing WORTH watching, heheπŸ€ͺ), it wasn't so bad to have like one season of an old Star Trek mailed to you, even if you went to Blockbuster for actual movie titles.

    More realistically, the article I am half recalling was probably trying to drum up subscriber numbers when Netflix was young and first starting out.

    Anyway the point was that at one point in time their ratings system was actually considered quite GOOD, back before they got into pushing crap that they would rather you watch instead of stuff that you might actually enjoy.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've always found imdb way less inflated than Rotten Tomatoes.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    90% on RT means that 9/10 reviewers didn't hate it but they could all have rated it a 6/10.

    The wannabe professional reviewers on RT are the absolute garbage. Anything big and you'll find multiple Nobody McNobodyface from Nowhereton Gazette giving anything top score because they gave a boner for the lead actress.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    I have both problems or I am counter-cyclical to IMDb. Anyways. My algorithm now works like this:

    IMDb > 5 = potentially good movie
    IMDb <=5 = trash

    Rotten Tomatoes > 70% = potentially good movie
    Rotten Tomatoes <= 70% = potentially good movie.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    I just joined a site called criticker that aims to fix this via data normalization. It can adjust ratings to the way you rate and base them on people who rate like you as well. Although its database is a bit lacking and all ratings are public.

    Also FYI on 1 to 10 5.5 is average, 5 is below average.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ah, people.

    5 is avreage? Oh so you mean 5 is absolute baseline? Like, treat 5 as 0 yes? Then anything below is basically how much you shouldn't watch it, no?

    My friends balk when I say "Welp, that was 6/10, quite a good movie" xD

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    i mean, on that scale a 6/10 is barely above average. I'm still looking at you funny foot calling that "quite good"

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Personal scale, fully subjective:

    1. Watch it if you are one of people who always fiddle with phone or sleep at shows
    2. Drying paint may be better
    3. Better than nothing
    4. Kinda meh
    5. Enjoyable Somewhat good
    6. Quite Good Enjoyable
    7. Good
    8. Very Good
    9. Fantastic
    10. Watch it or die trying

    * Got corrected. Now at english better am, I >:3

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    i guess I'm my mind "quite good" is better than "good"

    like "quite" is a synonym to "very" in this context as I understand it. maybe to a lesser degree, but it's certainly a positive modifier. i would use a similar scale if those two were swapped.

    maybe that's just my dumb american vocab or something, but i would be very confused by that scale as it stands.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    My friend, I am non-native, I may be wrong on this xD

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Yeah, you're using "quite" incorrectly here. Add the other person said, "quite good" means "really good" or "very good." You want something like "somewhat good." If it were me, I would change 5 to "decent" and 6 to "enjoyable" since "enjoyable" has a much more positive connotation than I'd expect from the middle of the scale.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Enjoyable Somewhat good Quite Good Enjoyable Good

    what is the difference between somewhat good and enjoyable? and between enjoyable and good? you illustrated problem with 10 point scale nicely.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Somewhat good and enjoyable...kinda your point.

    Good and enjoyable? I can enjoy things that aren't really good. Example: Whole shitty movies fandom.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    if you enjoy them, they are good. that is like whole point of a movie to be enjoyed by the audience. yeah, they might not be for everyone, but that is true for any movie.

    the point is, either the movie is good, or it sucks, and when it sucks, i (with most other people it seems) don't want to spend time thinking about if it is 3 or 4 out of 10 movie, that is just not important.

    there is a reason why most ratings operate on a 5 point scale.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Yeah I think this is an issue in general with any kind of 1-10 scale! People tend to think 7+ is good. I don't think people recognize 5 as average or they see "average" as less than what it actually means - I'm with you that most media is average and that doesn't mean it's not worth checking out.

    Anyone who creates a scale needs to be super clear about what each interval means lol because I think they get misconstrued all the time.

    I do miss the old IMDb review/chat boards though. Before everything just moved to reddit, it was fun to go on there and just talk to people about certain movies. Was so good for when a movie had a confusing/open ending to share theories and stuff. Didn't get trolls when forums were all separate!

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is why approval voting is better than score voting, or rather, score voting quickly becomes approval voting anyways so might as well not overcomplicate matters πŸ™ƒ

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    yes but with approval rating the "best" movies are the ones which appeal at least enough to the most people.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    True, I was thinking about this some other time too. I think more granularity in votes doesn't really solve that though, you need some way of weighting approvals. Like determining whose approval matters most.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I rely on Letterboxd for a glance on rating curvature but that too has become untrustworthy for anything just released big and blockbustery that fortunately isn't really my thing anyway.

    When I see something I really like I go check out the other productions by the people involved. Director and writer mainly, also producers and sometimes actors if they seem to be character actors that pick what projects to be in.

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