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submitted 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net to c/movies@hexbear.net

Still set in the alt-history introduced by For All Mankind, Star City shows how the paranoid Russian space program won the race to the moon under the watchful eye of the Soviet surveillance state. This is not the ’60s optimism found in the Baldwin household, but rather a molehunt for an American spy feeding Uncle Sam space base plans. Amid the espionage, the Soviet Union pushes forward with its plans to reach the moon first, and they don’t care how many Cosmonauts they have to lose to get there.

lmao

This shit sucks so hard.

Sci-fi laser-focused on appealing to Apple stock shareholders.

At the beginning of For All Mankind when the soviets beat the USA to the moon, it made me laugh so hard watching the Americans stewing about it. The rest of the show is boring and mostly sucks.

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[-] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 20 points 5 days ago

When I first heard about it I thought it would be cool. But when I read the description a few months ago I felt it will be quite annoying.

S1 of For All Mankind had a neat idea; I don't think it was explicitly stated, but was a theme. basically it illustrated that not only was there a technological, scientific Space Race which we all hear about as a central motivating idea of post-war USA. But there was also a political, economic Social Competition. The presence of Communist countries created "progressive" pressure in capitalist regions, even when diluted so as to be entirely non-revolutionary.

The USSR wins the space race by landing on the moon first. Shortly thereafter, they go back, this time with a woman. In the world of the show, this is seems to be understood by the global population as openly flaunting the Soviet's superior implementation of egalitarian principals, which are purported to be values under liberalism. The mechanisms are unclear, but somehow, this spurs a social movement which creates pressure directly from the president of the US to enforce sex and racial integration in NASA. The federal government comes to be of the belief that the racial and gender discrimination policies were the cause of its inability to dominate the USSR in technological advancements.

Therefor, it sets about to do affirmative action and implement diversity hiring policies in the early 1960s (at least in NASA). They do better sex-wise than race-wise, which is not very commented upon in the show. But it does sort of show that the motivation is so much following the Soviet example. Because of the alternative history where integration was at least nominally implemented voluntarily, scientific advancement was faster than in the real timeline. So within the boundaries of the show, which take for granted the american exceptionalism, pursuit of military dominance etc as desirable, it does show in a very unusual way how the tension of people living in a different way somewhere else can influence for the better. It wishes for a world where Communism was more powerful, more long-lasting, and where its reach was extended. That's also very unusual.

Unfortunately, when they depicted Soviet culture in the later seasons, it was very stupid and cartoonish. The state tortures all its people, just for fun. The one Soviet engineer who is a returning character, the KGB bring him to a gulag and kick him "in the organs" over and over again specifically to make him have chronic health conditions. From what I understood, this is just to keep him in line because he is so smart. And everything else going into the 80s and 90s is basically like that. It is a society characterized by extreme paranoia, assassinations, incarcerations, blackmail, torture. They seem to have entirely given up on the Social Competition. Actually the motivations of the USSR are not really described much. Just some hunger for power maybe. All the Soviet citizens just seem to be following orders out of fear.

My impression is that this is how the Star City is going to be.

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 13 points 5 days ago

It is a society characterized by extreme paranoia, assassinations, incarcerations, blackmail, torture. They seem to have entirely given up on the Social Competition. Actually the motivations of the USSR are not really described much. Just some hunger for power maybe.

Basically every cold war cliche. Why do they want power? Because they are evil! Why are they evil? Because they are Russian, I guess?

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The one Soviet engineer who is a returning character, the KGB bring him to a gulag and kick him “in the organs” over and over again specifically to make him have chronic health conditions. From what I understood, this is just to keep him in line because he is so smart.

Fell off of For All Mankind for this exact plot point. In a universe where the USSR sustains itself for (so far) 20 additional years, and in one where half the world participates in global communism and in a world where clean energy is adopted in the 90s, it comes across as lazy and mean-spirited to continue depicting the Soviets as every other piece of American media does.

I mean, why would you even need to torture a single man for his entire life? Gives the impression the Soviets trained up this one engineer and they can't possibly lose him.

This is especially for a show called For All Mankind- You don't get the impression the story is actually for all mankind now. It's, in fact, quite hostile and disrespectful to most of humanity.

All the Soviet citizens just seem to be following orders out of fear.

It cannot be without reference that, in response to the statement "you have to learn to trust people," a young Soviet woman character says "try living in the Soviet Union."

[-] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago

Ya, it would have been cool to see a bit of whatif timeline where the USSR was feeling secure, not being constantly on major defensive against the US. If the US got more effective pushback early on, and didn't get its claws in so deep. If they felt the need to restrain themselves more. So the USSR could have gone on confidently and comfortably. This should result is less internal subterfuge, not an infinite escalation.

It was a real disservice to the show the way soviet citizens were depicted. There are literally multiple scenes where the vivacious Americans are trying so hard to find a personality somewhere under the robotic automotaun exterior of a commie drone. I guess it is a metaphors for what happened in the writers room. Like in school if you write an essay about how difficult it is to pick a topic for your essay.

I guess if they did any research for wiritng that, it was probably material created by disaffected Soviet "refugees" to the west. But the way they are depicting a huge collection of nations, probably a billion or more people, each and every one of whom is individually and specially controlled and manipulated by a faceless state, using only the tools of misery is totally some 1984 fantasy of totalitarianism. You kind of get the sense that communism must have totally collapsed as an idea but it is not at all explained.

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