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One could argue that Juche has worked, but I would honestly need to research more about it to determine if it is its own distinct philosophy or if it is Marxism-Leninism in Korean material conditions (I would also need to determine how much Juche influenced their survival against American imperialism). Other lines are not so lucky: Maoism claims no currently-existing socialist countries, orthodox Marxism claims literally nothing (except the Paris Commune, I guess), and other niche camps are hardly worth talking about.
I agree with cfgaussian in their assessment of Marxism-Leninism: It is the most scientific communist tendency based on observable results (the currently-existing socialist countries and past ones show that it can succeed and has succeeded) and the theoretical strength (meaning how much it is able to answer questions regarding the word and combat criticism). I am a Marxist-Leninist not simply because it is the only road I see to creating a better life for all people, but also because it answers questions in a way that liberal and social-opportunist ideologies fail to answer scientifically (seriously, authoritarianism and totalitarianism are seldom used in consistent ways and are often so vague and mired in idealist understandings of politics that they hardly amount to anything more than pseudoscience posturing as science).
Supporting the USSR and modern PRC is not contradictory to me; they both count as socialist experiments enabling the worker's liberation movement to better understand what mistakes to avoid and how we can succeed as a socialist society. I do not think that the market reforms in China were a betrayal of socialism, and I think the PRC is the greatest ally to socialism that we currently have (in terms of influence). I would also say that the PRC's survival into the current day (as a socialist country, not a capitalist one like ultras would like you to believe) shows that the way of the PRC is the one we should look towards for inspiration in constructing a socialist country (though I am not well-informed on the economy of Stalin-era socialism, so I have to look into that to say whether or not I would be on board with it).
However, I am a bit weirded out by your mention of Hoxha. Could you explain why you include Hoxha there (and not Marx or Engels)? From my experience, only Hoxhaists bother upholding Hoxha.
I admit that i am not very knowledgeable on the topic of Juche, but from what i can tell it seems like an adaptation of Marxism-Leninism to the specific conditions of the DPRK post Korean War. An ideology doesn't need to be called Marxism-Leninism (or even mention Marx and Lenin) to be essentially Marxist-Leninist in its world outlook. Another good name for Juche might be "Socialism with Korean Characteristics".
I do wonder why Jucheists emphasize the fact that it is its own ideology (though they admit it is a sister ideology to Marxism-Leninism, I think). The focus and wordage used is definitely different, but eh, I do not know. Thanks for the recommendation, by the way.
Juche socialists believe the juche idea to be a universal advancement on Marxism-Leninism, even if they accept Marxism-Leninism as correct.
So would it be like Maoists viewing Mao's contributions as a universal advancement of Marxism-Leninism (they are not)? I guess it might differ if Jucheists actually think Marxism-Leninism is outdated or not. Any Jucheists here to state their opinion?
Kind of. One key difference is that juche socialists tend to support other AES just like Marxist-Leninists, while Maoists tend not to.
I feel like Jucheists are primarily relegated to the DPRK and some small online places. Oh, I knew that Maoists denounce AES countries, but my understanding of their stance on AES was unclear until you answered (honestly, I am somewhat surprised they support other AES countries outside of the DPRK).
Maoists usually don't support modern AES, though some of the Sison school do. As for Juche, it's also because Juche doesn't add anything to Marxism-Leninism that stands against AES.
... the fact that those Maoists are supporting modern AES makes no sense to me (why do they do that)?
I guess that aspect of Juche makes sense...
For the same reasons some Trotskyist orgs wrap back around to supporting AES, like WWP.
And why is that? Are they like the people who like the "authoritarian Stalin" unironically (I bet there is a non-zero chance some people actually like this nonexistent Stalin) because they think that the object of admiration is as reactionary as them?
Usually it's when they actually take Lenin's theories of imperialism seriously enough and come around on AES in a roundabout way. They may have initially believed a good deal of the propaganda but Marxism-Leninism is still correct, so they wrap back around to supporting AES.
Hmm, you got downvoted twice. Maybe it is because you said something which seems wrong (in comparison to what the general impression of Maoists is), but I will still upvote you for giving a unique perspective into it. However, I would argue that Maoism is revisionism of Marxism-Leninism (from what I remember of the Peruvian Maoists, they overemphasize the inevitability of violence).
My accounts are being downvote-botted, this happens mostly on Lemmy.ml but sometimes happens elsewhere. That might be it.
I agree that Maoism is incorrect, and that Mao Zedong Thought is not universal. I agree that some aspects can be used in certain conditions, which is the ML line. The Sisonists have generally softened their views on universality (though not totally), such as modifying PPW for urban settings into the general process of preparing for revolution, which MLs agree with by other terms.
I guess I have to read Sison if I want to learn about Maoism from someone that is not a Gonzaloist (though I doubt Sison will be much different).
There's a good deal of writing on Maoism and Sison on Prolewiki and here. Problems with Maoism is a good primer, as is the article on Sison himself.
This answer from our great comrade @zhenli can help clarify things about Juche.
Oh I would rather not use Quora if possible due to there being a higher amount of fascists on there than one would normally expect (and also other things...).
Well, the same answer is here too: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/5545394
Much appreciated! I definitely think that learning about Juche and how it relates to Marxism-Leninism is useful for my brain. :>