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Juche socialists believe the juche idea to be a universal advancement on Marxism-Leninism, even if they accept Marxism-Leninism as correct.
So would it be like Maoists viewing Mao's contributions as a universal advancement of Marxism-Leninism (they are not)? I guess it might differ if Jucheists actually think Marxism-Leninism is outdated or not. Any Jucheists here to state their opinion?
Kind of. One key difference is that juche socialists tend to support other AES just like Marxist-Leninists, while Maoists tend not to.
I feel like Jucheists are primarily relegated to the DPRK and some small online places. Oh, I knew that Maoists denounce AES countries, but my understanding of their stance on AES was unclear until you answered (honestly, I am somewhat surprised they support other AES countries outside of the DPRK).
Maoists usually don't support modern AES, though some of the Sison school do. As for Juche, it's also because Juche doesn't add anything to Marxism-Leninism that stands against AES.
... the fact that those Maoists are supporting modern AES makes no sense to me (why do they do that)?
I guess that aspect of Juche makes sense...
For the same reasons some Trotskyist orgs wrap back around to supporting AES, like WWP.
And why is that? Are they like the people who like the "authoritarian Stalin" unironically (I bet there is a non-zero chance some people actually like this nonexistent Stalin) because they think that the object of admiration is as reactionary as them?
Usually it's when they actually take Lenin's theories of imperialism seriously enough and come around on AES in a roundabout way. They may have initially believed a good deal of the propaganda but Marxism-Leninism is still correct, so they wrap back around to supporting AES.
Hmm, you got downvoted twice. Maybe it is because you said something which seems wrong (in comparison to what the general impression of Maoists is), but I will still upvote you for giving a unique perspective into it. However, I would argue that Maoism is revisionism of Marxism-Leninism (from what I remember of the Peruvian Maoists, they overemphasize the inevitability of violence).
My accounts are being downvote-botted, this happens mostly on Lemmy.ml but sometimes happens elsewhere. That might be it.
I agree that Maoism is incorrect, and that Mao Zedong Thought is not universal. I agree that some aspects can be used in certain conditions, which is the ML line. The Sisonists have generally softened their views on universality (though not totally), such as modifying PPW for urban settings into the general process of preparing for revolution, which MLs agree with by other terms.
I guess I have to read Sison if I want to learn about Maoism from someone that is not a Gonzaloist (though I doubt Sison will be much different).
There's a good deal of writing on Maoism and Sison on Prolewiki and here. Problems with Maoism is a good primer, as is the article on Sison himself.