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My point is partially that voter ID is only controversial in the US, in the entire rest of the world it is "of course you use ID for voting, how else would you prevent fraud?"
Also "I still doubt the premise." I carpool with a friend of mine to work daily, good dude. I asked him if he has ever known anyone at all (hadn't even gotten to "black" yet, I asked "anyone") without an ID and he immediately launched into "See man I hate that bullshit, yes we can get IDs and we all have one, that is some racist bullshit but from the other side that pretends they care. Actually I didn't get mine until I was 18, and my friends made fun of me when we were 16-17. It's fucked up that they see me and assume I can't get one." (He didn't think I thought that myself, I was clear that I was arguing with some white savior types and wasn't sure if I was off base or if you were, so we're good him and I). So, unless you're blacker than my friend here I'm gonna trust whoever can say the N-word on this one.
You can cite papers as if they're all automatically sound (meanwhile many papers are done a specific way to engineer results, like the "weed kills brain cells" study for example), but until I meet ONE, count 'em ONE, person who is a legal citizen able to get an ID who does not have one, I'm not gonna believe it's common at all. I know another literal homeless dude outside of the aforementioned camp of 3, and that dude also has an ID, and he's also black (like one of the aforementioned 3). Literally not ONE person I know regardless of skin color or economic situation has no ID. I'm not opposed to making them free yadda yadda all your ideas earlier (though tbf Germany charges more than the US does and their Voter ID laws aren't controversial), but I still don't think black people and legal "latinx" (sorry Latin people I didn't say it he did I know y'all hate that) residents can't get an ID as is commonly touted, and I still hold that assuming POC can't get ID is racist (which turns out my black co-worker friend there agrees, so I'm on the right track). POC are just as capable as white people dude, it's 2026, they can drive now it isn't 1850.
@ArcaneSlime (You seem to be mixing me up with someone else.) In any case, it's normal to doubt a premise if it doesn't match your personal experience, but denying data because it doesn't match your anecdotes isn't reasonable, even less so is denying inconvenient studies under the assumption that all inconvenient studies are fraudulent. Unless you can point out what's specifically wrong with the study I cited, I'm going to believe its results over your anecdotes.
Unfortunately I'm not in the business of paying Jstor for papers, but the abstract has a lot of "may limit"s and "However, past studies have reported conflicting results"s before coming to the conclusion that it indeed suppresses votes (though not telling me how for free, of course, and doesn't offer any information about those conflicting studies. Were they done wrong or was this one? Only someone willing to pay can know).
And yet still I've never met anyone who didn't have an ID, and I don't even live in a voter ID state btw just one with people who need to live a normal life and to do so they must have an ID post- (and in many cases pre-) 18. Not only that but the POC I know so far (asked two now) all tell me it's racist to assume POC can't get IDs and everyone they know (who can legally get one) has one too. I'm also not in the business of developing racist thought processes because it makes some white guy feel good to help the noble savages, so I'm still gonna listen to the experiences of the POC I know when they tell me they indeed are just as capable of going to the DMV as any white person.
@ArcaneSlime I'd be happy to send you the paper (or there are other ways you can get it if you check into a "hub" of "sci"ence.)
The point of acknowledging conflicts in previous work is to explain the need for the current work. That doesn't mean the current work doesn't clarify the issue.
More importantly, the results of the study suggest voter suppression for all groups and only more notably for Latinxs despite previous research showing that minorities do have more difficulty getting IDs.
Well if I can find it I'll look into it, but then again if the study says it doesn't disproportionately affect POC then it agrees with me on that part.
I still however don't know one single white adult without an ID either, you already need it for more than voting, and I can't see how showing the thing you literally carry in your pocket or purse 24/7 out of necessity already suppresses all votes either. I'm one of the paranoid assholes that hates identifying myself on every website and at every store just so I can get a big mac or an online service, I obscure my identity as much as humanly possible, I hate AI, facial recognition, ALPRs, Flock, 2fa through text, I don't even fly I take trains instead despite the inconvenience just because of all the invasive TSA horse shit (and maybe a little of "flying scary," I'll admit lol), and I STILL wouldn't even give a second thought about having to show ID to vote. Hell, when I do vote and they just ask my name and check me off the list, I'm tempted to drive to my non-voting friend's neighborhood and vote as/for him every time (I never have, but there's literally nothing but my own morality stopping me from acquiescing to temptation), but that also gives me the thought of "I cannot be the first person to think of that, hope nobody does it to me one day lol." Bro my polling place doesn't even have cameras, it'd literally be impossible to catch me, I couldn't do it on a mass scale of course but I could 100% do it and someone could 100% do it to me, all they need is my name and publically listed address.