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Trying to run over an officer, you mean? She didn't just try and run away, she drove directly towards a police officer.
You really need to reevaluate your thinking if you think untrained civilians have a higher burden than supposedly trained professionals, especially after watching that video
If only cops weren't rooted to the ground and could jump out of the way of a car...
It would be ideal if she didn't try and kill him in the first place though.
Always interesting that people demand average citizens behave more reasonably than so-called trained police. It's like you accept the presumption that any cop is likely to overreact in murder, therefore the onus is on US not to escalate situations. Interesting how the apologists don't think cops bear any responsibility for de-escalation.
You're being disingenuous Monday morning qb'ing. Police are supposedly trained in de-escalation. I am not excusing the behavior, but I can understand a random untrained citizen having fear and unpredictable bad decision-making in a situation like this. Whereas the cops absolutely have countless other things they could do that are calmer and more de-escalating.
Ultimately, basic theft isn't worth death. The problem is that cops have unilaterally decided it is completely unacceptable to not listen to them, up to death. They could have followed her. They could have let her go. There are numerous alternatives that could have happened. Cops in America have endlessly shown they are trigger happy twitchy and rushing to escalate.
The burden is on trained police to behave better than a random person does. This doesn't excuse her behavior. But the cops are NOT justified either.
I understand this nuance is lost on most.
You're far more level headed than most of the commenters here. Yeah, the police could definitely have handled this better as well.
Given your capacity for intelligence you're probably below the max IQ limit for hiring US cops, you should apply, you get to shoot innocent unarmed civilians for misdemeaner crimes while pretending that your own life threatening actions were their fault and you still get the advantage of other braindead troglodytes like yourself defending your murder of a non shoplifter for non compliance, for a crime with no death penalty.
Judge Dredd wasn't a guidebook on policing you deranged bootlicking homunculus.
You keep saying that. "Trying to run over ". No fucking way you could convince me that she wanted to run over that cop! If she wanted him dead, why didn't she just punch it? Floor the peddle and turn the wheel toward him.
How about maybe the police firstly don't escalate the situation to that point because she was just accused of shoplifting and secondly don't jump in front of her car in the first place?
Don't they spend like 1000 hours training people about all the safety precautions of a standard road stop, since it has about a dozen dangers - and "standing directly in front of a suspect's vehicle" ranks somewhere among the dumbest things you can do?
Heck, I caution myself against doing it even when walking around the city, even if all I want to do is warn someone about an obstacle. I'm no freaking roadblock.
She cranked the wheel all the way away from him. She was trying to go around. Officer "no self preservation" was a dipshit and blocked in a two ton machine with his own body.
Yeah, did people not even watch the footage? You'd have to be braindead to try anything like that to cops nowadays, it's a death sentence
What exactly do you mean by "cops nowadays*?
Do you mean do not try that because they will shoot at your for close to no reason?
Or do you mean cops are extremely dangerous, just be the most agreeable prey they come across.
Let's do a quick test, you see a car driving at you 60mph, the only thing you have is your gun, and your legs.
You can:
A) get out of the way and live
B) shoot the driver (which would not at all stop the car)
Now let's try this stupid shit one more time at 5mph.
There is ZERO reason to discharge a firearm at this person, for evading arrest, shoplifting, etc. This is an UNARMED PREGNANT WOMAN.
Imagine thinking this is the right way to handle this you fucking animal.
Doesn't matter in the slightest if this is the "right way to handle this", it's the reality of the situation where it's pretty well documented that they're going to choose their lives over yours if you give them a reason to (say for example driving your car directly at them like a braindead moron)
bro she was driving slower than I can run. The cop quite literally put himself in front of the car to give himself a justification for killing her.
.... You take two steps to the left to move out of the way of the car, or, here's a fantastic idea, you don't step out in front of a fucking car in the first place???
Well, either way, Ohio has a no excuses abortion law, so the officer needs to be charged.
Doesn't matter? This woman was almost a child herself, she lost her life at 21 years old over a bunch of power tripping cops. How fucking dare you. You need to reevaluate what matters.
Part of being a an officer is being able to keep your shit together when civilians do not. Don't sit here and act like you'd think rationally while a bunch of guns are pointed at you knowing damn well your chances of survival are significantly lower just because your skin is a different color. I seriously cannot grasp how you're okay writing these comments. You should be ashamed of yourself, seriously.
"Cops are likely to murder you, and we just accept this, so act accordingly."
Yep and for people in the US they should been keenly aware that there's a non zero possibly of being shot by police if they feel threatened. That's just how it is.
Almost anyone in the US will shoot you if threatened though.