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OMG, I saw this story on FB, AND every fucking comment was praising the cop! Telling her she deserved it for trying to run away.. things like she would have been a terrible mom anyways.. just some awful things while the run their hard ons for the cops... It was sickening... I am 23 weeks pregnant with my second son right now and watching people praise her death because she stole something is so bizarre and jarring... I'm pregnant... What if this was a misunderstanding and he had bad information.. she didn't steal a thing and scared of cops tried to get away and now she is dead.... Cops are fuckiing scary but not as much as people who want this outcome for stealing some groceries
Edit: some of these comments defending the cop, who put his life in danger on his own so he could have the excuse to kill her, is chilling.... You are the reason I made my comment and the reason why I am getting scared of my community.. because too many of the people in society want to see someone from some group they hate, hurt or dead by police.... Fucking sickening. Shoplifting is not an excuse to use lethal force to stop anyone.. the punishment doesn't fit the crime.. people saying it does, are rabid dogs who wish it was them in the cops shoes, feeling powerful.. and that's even more sickening. She left behind a 6 year old because thd pig couldnt have figured out another way to handle the situation.. he failed a basic IQ test and too many people are like.. "Kay, cool". Idiocracy was and is a fucking a documentary and y'all just want a gladiator type entertainment with your own people
Well that's a shity outlook when the cop was trying stage a suicide to have a reason to fire his gun... again he put him self there by choice, he could have chose to move aside and track her.. but he chose a method that he could abuse for the reason to fire his gun and punish her for testing his authority.... Is sad you can't see or understand that.. or that you are okay with being shot.... But during the protests, when people would zoom their cars in to.the crowds to get away from the people, was totally justified.. the irony is insane...
His job is to stop and detain that person. It's not really a choice.
I don't know how you can remotely justify driving off when asked to get out of the vehicle. It's an insane position.
She escalated from simple shoplifting to assault...if we want to talk about suicides...that's a way to do it I guess.
If his job is to stop and detain, he failed his job.
I disagree.
I shrug...I had a cop draw on me. I followed directions and I'm still alive. I didn't burn down the city because I did something stupid.
Got out of a car during a traffic stop to smoke a cigarette. The cop drew, I almost peed myself, I listened to instructions, the end.
The full story is, I was drunk, my DD was getting a speeding ticket. It was a long ass drive home, so I got out to smoke after she takes all the initial paperwork and goes back to the car.
We are pretty clearly not a threat. Me, wife 2 kids. I'm pretty hammered and it seemed like a good idea.
I know better than to get out during a traffic stop.
But the cop got back out of her car, immediately drew and screamed at me to get back in the car. I did so and ate a speech about how dumb I was.
Do I think the cop was justified in drawing? Absolutely. We are on the side of the highway, in the dark, and the cop didn't have backup. I fully accept that I fucked up when I got out of the car. You just don't do that during a routine stop without asking permission first.
Let's say at that point, instead of getting back in, I turn on the cop and advance on her and have some attitude about her yelling and pointing the gun...at that point she'd be justified in shooting me.
TLDR...I fucked up, the cop did the right thing in that situation, and while scary as hell, the cop was in the right the whole time. My
Yeah wtf, she should have left a thin blue streak on the asphalt
Trying to run over an officer, you mean? She didn't just try and run away, she drove directly towards a police officer.
You really need to reevaluate your thinking if you think untrained civilians have a higher burden than supposedly trained professionals, especially after watching that video
If only cops weren't rooted to the ground and could jump out of the way of a car...
It would be ideal if she didn't try and kill him in the first place though.
Always interesting that people demand average citizens behave more reasonably than so-called trained police. It's like you accept the presumption that any cop is likely to overreact in murder, therefore the onus is on US not to escalate situations. Interesting how the apologists don't think cops bear any responsibility for de-escalation.
You're being disingenuous Monday morning qb'ing. Police are supposedly trained in de-escalation. I am not excusing the behavior, but I can understand a random untrained citizen having fear and unpredictable bad decision-making in a situation like this. Whereas the cops absolutely have countless other things they could do that are calmer and more de-escalating.
Ultimately, basic theft isn't worth death. The problem is that cops have unilaterally decided it is completely unacceptable to not listen to them, up to death. They could have followed her. They could have let her go. There are numerous alternatives that could have happened. Cops in America have endlessly shown they are trigger happy twitchy and rushing to escalate.
The burden is on trained police to behave better than a random person does. This doesn't excuse her behavior. But the cops are NOT justified either.
I understand this nuance is lost on most.
You're far more level headed than most of the commenters here. Yeah, the police could definitely have handled this better as well.
Given your capacity for intelligence you're probably below the max IQ limit for hiring US cops, you should apply, you get to shoot innocent unarmed civilians for misdemeaner crimes while pretending that your own life threatening actions were their fault and you still get the advantage of other braindead troglodytes like yourself defending your murder of a non shoplifter for non compliance, for a crime with no death penalty.
Judge Dredd wasn't a guidebook on policing you deranged bootlicking homunculus.
You keep saying that. "Trying to run over ". No fucking way you could convince me that she wanted to run over that cop! If she wanted him dead, why didn't she just punch it? Floor the peddle and turn the wheel toward him.
How about maybe the police firstly don't escalate the situation to that point because she was just accused of shoplifting and secondly don't jump in front of her car in the first place?
Don't they spend like 1000 hours training people about all the safety precautions of a standard road stop, since it has about a dozen dangers - and "standing directly in front of a suspect's vehicle" ranks somewhere among the dumbest things you can do?
Heck, I caution myself against doing it even when walking around the city, even if all I want to do is warn someone about an obstacle. I'm no freaking roadblock.
She cranked the wheel all the way away from him. She was trying to go around. Officer "no self preservation" was a dipshit and blocked in a two ton machine with his own body.
Yeah, did people not even watch the footage? You'd have to be braindead to try anything like that to cops nowadays, it's a death sentence
What exactly do you mean by "cops nowadays*?
Do you mean do not try that because they will shoot at your for close to no reason?
Or do you mean cops are extremely dangerous, just be the most agreeable prey they come across.
Let's do a quick test, you see a car driving at you 60mph, the only thing you have is your gun, and your legs.
You can:
A) get out of the way and live
B) shoot the driver (which would not at all stop the car)
Now let's try this stupid shit one more time at 5mph.
There is ZERO reason to discharge a firearm at this person, for evading arrest, shoplifting, etc. This is an UNARMED PREGNANT WOMAN.
Imagine thinking this is the right way to handle this you fucking animal.
Doesn't matter in the slightest if this is the "right way to handle this", it's the reality of the situation where it's pretty well documented that they're going to choose their lives over yours if you give them a reason to (say for example driving your car directly at them like a braindead moron)
bro she was driving slower than I can run. The cop quite literally put himself in front of the car to give himself a justification for killing her.
.... You take two steps to the left to move out of the way of the car, or, here's a fantastic idea, you don't step out in front of a fucking car in the first place???
Well, either way, Ohio has a no excuses abortion law, so the officer needs to be charged.
Doesn't matter? This woman was almost a child herself, she lost her life at 21 years old over a bunch of power tripping cops. How fucking dare you. You need to reevaluate what matters.
Part of being a an officer is being able to keep your shit together when civilians do not. Don't sit here and act like you'd think rationally while a bunch of guns are pointed at you knowing damn well your chances of survival are significantly lower just because your skin is a different color. I seriously cannot grasp how you're okay writing these comments. You should be ashamed of yourself, seriously.
"Cops are likely to murder you, and we just accept this, so act accordingly."
Yep and for people in the US they should been keenly aware that there's a non zero possibly of being shot by police if they feel threatened. That's just how it is.
Almost anyone in the US will shoot you if threatened though.