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Systemd adds age verification (github.com)
submitted 5 months ago by to c/privacy@programming.dev
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[–] 2 points 5 months ago (8 children)

No they haven't, they added a field where a user can store their birthday, as required by law in parts of the US.

Or do you recommend them to ignore the law, and jeopardize the whole project? Do you want linux get banned in California? You are mad at the wrong people

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, they should in fact just state that Californian users are not allowed to use it.

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  • [–] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Basically that's the other option. But considering a lot of the maintainers live there, it's just easier to comply with the stupid law until it's reversed.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Linus banned the Russian maintainers. So there is precedent to boot the commie losers off their maintainer role.

    It sucks to lose talent, but they should have moved out of that shithole decades ago. It's on them for still living there.

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Following clown laws legitimizes them.

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  • [+] -8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ok, who decides which law is clown and which isn't? You? Or Sam Altman? I guess he has a different idea what laws he wants to follow. See, it's a slippery slope you recommend.

    Change your clown laws, and don't bully projects who just wants linux to become viable alternative to common people. Don't make perfect enemy of good.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    False equivalence as privacy is a human right. Article 12 of the UN declaration of human rights.

    People have the right to switch projects and criticize the actions of the developers.

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  • [+] -7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    So it's the legistlation's fault again, why aren't you mad at them, why only systemd? In other jurisdictions you don't have to use this field. And I don't see anything in the PR about the verifability of the date. It's just an optional number it stores in a db, offline.

    Programmers have to become lawyers now?

    Also a lot other projects has a birthday field, e.g. last time I worked with was LDAP: https://ldapwiki.com/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Birthdate I guess it's there since the 90s.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The hell are you on about? People can, and are, upset about both. That said, changing a piece of software is monumentally easier than changing laws when you're up against an entire industry lobbying against your interests.

    That's why you see the focus on the software.

    Systemd refusing and telling CA to figure it the fuck out would have been one of the strongest counters to this bullshit currently available, and that option was just thrown in the fucking garbage. Of course people are going to be mad at systemd.

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  • [–] -4 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events:

    • voters vote for corrupt politician
    • big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law
    • freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law
    • systemd just adds the field to the userdb

    Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else...

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Why aren't coders the only people allowed to be lawyers instead of these political activist clowns?

    The only people who are remotely qualified to be my peers, to have the honour of being in the same room as me, are published package authors.

    So yes, coders are more qualified to be lawyers than lawyers.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Literally yes. I want them to force CA and other places considering these laws to actually evaluate the cost of locking their IT infrastructure out of Linux for this. I want them to demonstrate that a relatively small area of the world can't just change the trajectory of international open source projects at their own whim.

    At this point that is by far the strongest option available to push back against this mess, and they just completely fucking trashed it in some misguided attempt to "play ball".

    Now, all the government numptys who don't understand tech will just point to systemd and go "it wasn't a problem for them, you're just being difficult" when it comes to furthering their overreach.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago

    No they haven't, they added a field where a user can store their birthday, as required by law in parts of the US.

    That's an obvious foot in the door. The law is going to get worse. And we users expect the services we've been trusting all this years to see that too and act accordingly in response. As long as the critiscism remains civil, it's perfectly valid.

    Do you want linux get banned in California?

    There is no single Linux. Each distro should have the agency to decide for themselves how or if they want to operate in California.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes, I expect them to stand up for the rights of users. Why don't you?

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  • [–] -3 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Adding an empty age column in a file that already contained one for your full address doesn't violate anyone's rights.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    The premise for why it's being added however, subjectively does.

    Which you know.

    Also full address and name aren't mandatory, so it's not really a good comparison.

    edit: I just realised i also replied to the same comment from you elsewhere in this thread.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This entire problem would go away if these projects just changed their terms of service to ban running in California. The tech sector runs on Linux, having Linux deny service over this would immediately see lobbying to kill the law start in Ernest.

    This is true elsewhere too of course, but the buying power of Silicon Valley can't be ignored.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    Errr absolutely yes! Either grow a pair or i won't be one of their users.

    Are we going to abide by laws in North Korea or China next?

    Coders write the code, not the Epstein government types.

    We as coders can say absolutely no. Like the doctors should have during scamdemic.

    When will systemd be banished off all servers on the planet?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    @infeeeee@lemmy.zip @Sunshine@piefed.ca @privacy@programming.dev

    Or do you recommend them to ignore the law, and jeopardize the whole project? Do you want linux get banned in California? You are mad at the wrong people

    IMHO, having Linux Foundation and the organizations behind Linux components (such as systemd) to follow the same steps that of IBM back in 1930s (similarly, IBM was just "following orders", amirite?) wouldn't be wise, either.

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