▲ 78 ▼ Systemd adds age verification (github.com) submitted 5 months ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/privacy@programming.dev 81 comments fedilink hide all child comments Not to mention that they locked the unpopular pull request from reactions.
[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 30 points 5 months ago (1 child) Following clown laws legitimizes them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Ok, who decides which law is clown and which isn't? You? Or Sam Altman? I guess he has a different idea what laws he wants to follow. See, it's a slippery slope you recommend. Change your clown laws, and don't bully projects who just wants linux to become viable alternative to common people. Don't make perfect enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 22 points 5 months ago* (1 child) False equivalence as privacy is a human right. Article 12 of the UN declaration of human rights. People have the right to switch projects and criticize the actions of the developers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -7 points 5 months ago (2 children) So it's the legistlation's fault again, why aren't you mad at them, why only systemd? In other jurisdictions you don't have to use this field. And I don't see anything in the PR about the verifability of the date. It's just an optional number it stores in a db, offline. Programmers have to become lawyers now? Also a lot other projects has a birthday field, e.g. last time I worked with was LDAP: https://ldapwiki.com/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Birthdate I guess it's there since the 90s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) The hell are you on about? People can, and are, upset about both. That said, changing a piece of software is monumentally easier than changing laws when you're up against an entire industry lobbying against your interests. That's why you see the focus on the software. Systemd refusing and telling CA to figure it the fuck out would have been one of the strongest counters to this bullshit currently available, and that option was just thrown in the fucking garbage. Of course people are going to be mad at systemd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago We are going to fork it or just remove it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -4 points 5 months ago* (2 children) That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events: voters vote for corrupt politician big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law systemd just adds the field to the userdb Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) subjectively, all of the above. Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this. If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach). permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago* Blame? The realm of source code is ours! It takes less time to undue the PR then we are taking bickering about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Why aren't coders the only people allowed to be lawyers instead of these political activist clowns? The only people who are remotely qualified to be my peers, to have the honour of being in the same room as me, are published package authors. So yes, coders are more qualified to be lawyers than lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Ok, who decides which law is clown and which isn't? You? Or Sam Altman? I guess he has a different idea what laws he wants to follow. See, it's a slippery slope you recommend. Change your clown laws, and don't bully projects who just wants linux to become viable alternative to common people. Don't make perfect enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 22 points 5 months ago* (1 child) False equivalence as privacy is a human right. Article 12 of the UN declaration of human rights. People have the right to switch projects and criticize the actions of the developers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -7 points 5 months ago (2 children) So it's the legistlation's fault again, why aren't you mad at them, why only systemd? In other jurisdictions you don't have to use this field. And I don't see anything in the PR about the verifability of the date. It's just an optional number it stores in a db, offline. Programmers have to become lawyers now? Also a lot other projects has a birthday field, e.g. last time I worked with was LDAP: https://ldapwiki.com/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Birthdate I guess it's there since the 90s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) The hell are you on about? People can, and are, upset about both. That said, changing a piece of software is monumentally easier than changing laws when you're up against an entire industry lobbying against your interests. That's why you see the focus on the software. Systemd refusing and telling CA to figure it the fuck out would have been one of the strongest counters to this bullshit currently available, and that option was just thrown in the fucking garbage. Of course people are going to be mad at systemd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago We are going to fork it or just remove it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -4 points 5 months ago* (2 children) That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events: voters vote for corrupt politician big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law systemd just adds the field to the userdb Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) subjectively, all of the above. Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this. If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach). permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago* Blame? The realm of source code is ours! It takes less time to undue the PR then we are taking bickering about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Why aren't coders the only people allowed to be lawyers instead of these political activist clowns? The only people who are remotely qualified to be my peers, to have the honour of being in the same room as me, are published package authors. So yes, coders are more qualified to be lawyers than lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 22 points 5 months ago* (1 child) False equivalence as privacy is a human right. Article 12 of the UN declaration of human rights. People have the right to switch projects and criticize the actions of the developers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -7 points 5 months ago (2 children) So it's the legistlation's fault again, why aren't you mad at them, why only systemd? In other jurisdictions you don't have to use this field. And I don't see anything in the PR about the verifability of the date. It's just an optional number it stores in a db, offline. Programmers have to become lawyers now? Also a lot other projects has a birthday field, e.g. last time I worked with was LDAP: https://ldapwiki.com/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Birthdate I guess it's there since the 90s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) The hell are you on about? People can, and are, upset about both. That said, changing a piece of software is monumentally easier than changing laws when you're up against an entire industry lobbying against your interests. That's why you see the focus on the software. Systemd refusing and telling CA to figure it the fuck out would have been one of the strongest counters to this bullshit currently available, and that option was just thrown in the fucking garbage. Of course people are going to be mad at systemd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago We are going to fork it or just remove it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -4 points 5 months ago* (2 children) That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events: voters vote for corrupt politician big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law systemd just adds the field to the userdb Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) subjectively, all of the above. Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this. If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach). permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago* Blame? The realm of source code is ours! It takes less time to undue the PR then we are taking bickering about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Why aren't coders the only people allowed to be lawyers instead of these political activist clowns? The only people who are remotely qualified to be my peers, to have the honour of being in the same room as me, are published package authors. So yes, coders are more qualified to be lawyers than lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -7 points 5 months ago (2 children) So it's the legistlation's fault again, why aren't you mad at them, why only systemd? In other jurisdictions you don't have to use this field. And I don't see anything in the PR about the verifability of the date. It's just an optional number it stores in a db, offline. Programmers have to become lawyers now? Also a lot other projects has a birthday field, e.g. last time I worked with was LDAP: https://ldapwiki.com/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Birthdate I guess it's there since the 90s. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) The hell are you on about? People can, and are, upset about both. That said, changing a piece of software is monumentally easier than changing laws when you're up against an entire industry lobbying against your interests. That's why you see the focus on the software. Systemd refusing and telling CA to figure it the fuck out would have been one of the strongest counters to this bullshit currently available, and that option was just thrown in the fucking garbage. Of course people are going to be mad at systemd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago We are going to fork it or just remove it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -4 points 5 months ago* (2 children) That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events: voters vote for corrupt politician big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law systemd just adds the field to the userdb Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) subjectively, all of the above. Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this. If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach). permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago* Blame? The realm of source code is ours! It takes less time to undue the PR then we are taking bickering about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Why aren't coders the only people allowed to be lawyers instead of these political activist clowns? The only people who are remotely qualified to be my peers, to have the honour of being in the same room as me, are published package authors. So yes, coders are more qualified to be lawyers than lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago (2 children) The hell are you on about? People can, and are, upset about both. That said, changing a piece of software is monumentally easier than changing laws when you're up against an entire industry lobbying against your interests. That's why you see the focus on the software. Systemd refusing and telling CA to figure it the fuck out would have been one of the strongest counters to this bullshit currently available, and that option was just thrown in the fucking garbage. Of course people are going to be mad at systemd. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago We are going to fork it or just remove it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -4 points 5 months ago* (2 children) That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events: voters vote for corrupt politician big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law systemd just adds the field to the userdb Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) subjectively, all of the above. Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this. If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach). permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago* Blame? The realm of source code is ours! It takes less time to undue the PR then we are taking bickering about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago We are going to fork it or just remove it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] infeeeee@lemmy.zip -4 points 5 months ago* (2 children) That whatever happens the problem is always systemd. Chain of events: voters vote for corrupt politician big tech compaies bribe said politician to have shitty law freedesktop requests systemd for backend to comply with said law systemd just adds the field to the userdb Who is to blame for all of this? Poettering who else... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) subjectively, all of the above. Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this. If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach). permalink fedilink source parent [–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago* Blame? The realm of source code is ours! It takes less time to undue the PR then we are taking bickering about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) subjectively, all of the above. Of course you're seeing complaints about systemd in a discussion about systemd's part in this. If you | go and look | at the other | conversations about | the same law in a non-systemd | context you'll | see complaints there as well It's like claiming no dry land exists when you're swimming in the sea (within sight of the beach). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago* Blame? The realm of source code is ours! It takes less time to undue the PR then we are taking bickering about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] logging_strict@programming.dev 1 point 5 months ago Why aren't coders the only people allowed to be lawyers instead of these political activist clowns? The only people who are remotely qualified to be my peers, to have the honour of being in the same room as me, are published package authors. So yes, coders are more qualified to be lawyers than lawyers. permalink fedilink source parent