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Doctors used to believe that babies couldn't feel/understand pain.
https://www.newsweek.com/when-doctors-start-using-anesthesia-babies-medics-thought-they-couldnt-feel-pain-1625350
I mean, they certainly don't understand it yet. They absolutely feel it and react instinctively to it, though. It might even form a traumatic memory of a sort that will affect them later in life.
The real question is, does it matter? If pain doesn't change future behavior or outcomes, especially with having no memory of that pain, what does it matter?
Same for boiling someone alive... How you die doesn't really matter, because if you aren't going to survive, the experience didn't impact anything.
More like doctors reject inconvenient truth in favor of useful lie
Humans in general, not just doctors. Not all humans but it's not a rare trait. Or maybe all humans and I'm doing it myself by leaving that opening, which might be accepted because others also want to believe they don't.
Doctors still think the cervix has no nerve endings.
And that apples are dangerous.
Tbf apple seeds do have cyanide in them and should not be consumed in large quantities.
"A lethal dose of cyanide is around 50–300 milligrams (mg). A 2018 analysis of previous research states that a person would have to eat around 83–500 seeds to develop acute cyanide poisoning." Medical News Today, citing 2018 Oxford analysis
A redditor also did the math on how many apples that would be: "Apple seeds can release as much as 0.6 mg of Cyanide per gram of seed.
The average apple seed has a mass of 0.756 grams
The average apple contains 8 seeds
Therefore there are approximately 5.25 grams of apple seeds per apple, yielding a theoretical maximum release of 3.25 mg of cyanide from one apple
The lethal dose of Cyanide is based on body mass and is listed as 1.5 mg/kg.
A human can ingest about 41% of the lethal dose before seeing any side effects.
41% of 1.5 mg/kg = 0.615 mg/kg
The average adult male weighs 81.6466 kg (180 lbs)
Therefore the lethal dose in the average male is 50.213 mg.
50.213/3.15 = ~16 Apples
Therefore the average male can consume ~16 apples without feeling any side effects."
Unless you are a doctor that does not give pain relief for IUD.
The vast majority do not offer it. Doctors believe it’s just a pinch or light cramping.
I was refused any pain relief for my next iud insertion. And that’s happening in a few weeks.
Edit: lol I didn’t realize what comment you had replied to - yeah that was funny hah
I'm not sure what you mean by this; the cervix is known to have many nerve endings and is accepted medical knowledge.
@YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com explained it much better than I did in my admittedly flippant statement.
It’s more like doctors don’t believe women can feel the cervix very well even though we very, very much can.
Sure I understand that, especially for your personal experiences. I also recognize this has historically been a huge issue. I work closely with doctors and nurse practitioners in women's health (L&D, urogynecology, etc.) and they all take it very seriously (they are of mixed genders). I think it depends on the area and expertise of the doctor, but this is an outdated mindset that is (in my experience) quickly becoming obsolete as more voices are raised and research is published. I'm just against the sweeping generalization of "doctors believe" or "doctors think" and am quick to call it out for clarification. It has been used to support people avoiding healthcare practioners or trusting modern medical science. Saying "my doctor was shitty because they don't listen to my concerns" is super valid and should be acknowledged, but "doctors don't listen to women" is not a fair representation.
My personal experience has largely been that doctors don’t listen to me, so I’m sorry, but your one point of view here doesn’t cancel out my entire lifetime of being disbelieved.
I have an autoimmune condition that took 4 years to diagnose. I was constantly told I was being promiscuous and treated for diseases that i tested negative for over and over again. And this was knowing I had a history of autoimmune issues from my childhood.
I have an IUD replacement coming up next week. I was told no pain management would be offered, but I could take some ibuprofen before I come in.
I’ve been told to my face that my gallstone pain wasn’t real as I was throwing up into the doctors office trash can. Told to call ambulance if I wanted pain medication.
When I gave birth, they refused to allow me to wait for labor to set in, I was forced to go on pitocin. I labored for 3 days before having an emergency c-section. And then the nurses were late with pain meds for the two days I was still in the hospital. Oh and there’s no nurseries anymore, so my newborn was in my room the entire time and I had no help and a new surgical incision across my abdomen.
So no, I don’t believe that most doctors care about their patients.
That is a valid stance to take based on your history. I've acknowledged your personal experiences may differ. I was not trying to "cancel out" your viewpoint, the same way I don't think it would be fair to discount mine.
I'm just tired of hearing that doctors care and then never experiencing that in person. At some point there's a disconnect between what doctors believe they're providing and what patients are experiencing.
Yeah, I'm sure that is frustrating.
The full anatomy of the clitoris wasn't even mapped out until 2005. It wasn't believed to even exist until the late 90s.
I'm really supportive of your point that we shouldn't discourage people from seeking medical help. I'm all about preventative medicine and modern advances. But I think you're a little biased from the place where you work. I'm glad you work with people who seem to care about their patients. I don't think it's as universal as you want to claim.
I may not have clearly stated what I meant. I wasn't trying to offer an opinion on your experience. My initial point was imply it is absolutely valid medical knowledge that nerve endings exist in the cervix. Whether or not a doctor acknowledges that or listens to their patients is entirely independent of that (unfortunately). I understand that as a separate issue, but at least modern medical science recognizes it.
I'm a bearded white dude who has been doubted by dumbass doctors. It's why I vastly prefer women doctors, ironically. I can't fathom what others go through if that's my experience as a khaki wall.
Still don’t offer pain relief for procedures like IUD insertion and the like.
Um, yes they do. They tell us to take ibuprofen before the procedure.
Ibuprofen doesn’t touch the pain at all.
Have you been through birth and iud insertion and other procedures?
I had epidurals for all my childbirths. I've had three IUD insertions, only one with ibuprofen. IUD insertion doesn't hurt much at all either way. Just a moment of pinch & cramp then it's fine. That has been my subjective experience.
For you. Some women it’s much worse.
Pain management should be offered depending on the patient’s individual needs and not because of some outdated idea that we feel less pain there.
While it is true that this is said to patients, ibuprofen is not enough pain relief. Insertion is often rated as extremely painful, but patients are told it is similar to a menstrual cramp. It was a 10 out of 10 for me, and that was with extra ibuprofen.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/iud-insertion-pain-control-cdc-guidance-8737789
Thank you, this is exactly what I was referencing.
Male doctors.
Female doctors, too.
Interesting, too bad the article doesn't go deep enough and doesn't explore the psychological effects.