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[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 102 points 3 months ago

I thought China was supposed to be socialist?!

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 73 points 3 months ago

Yes. And not 100% of procedures are covered by the nationalized healthcare. These are not incongruent things.

Contrast that to America where not 100% of procedures are covered by personal healthcare, and less if your healthcare coverage is "bad".

[-] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago

China has a pretty abismal social safety net. They economy has a lot more central organization than most countries (whose economies are more free market). The social safety net systems in Europe are much stronger than in China, even though they have less centrally planned economies overall.

As with everything, it's hard to fit things into neat groups and the more you analyze something the more nuance there is.

[-] Yliaster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago
[-] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I can only speculate, but I assume it has to do with the government structure. China's leadership is much more insulated (electorally) from the population than the European leadership. Said another way, European leadership is more accountable to their constituents and social safety nets are popular.

Chinese leadership are more accountable to the party which is just a subset of the population, not the population at large. I assume those in the party are on average better off and have less need for a social safety net, so they are less likely to demand that from the leadership. This is pure speculation though.

[-] Yliaster@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago
[-] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Like I said, I'm only guessing. I've never taken a political science class or studied this kind of stuff. It's the best reasoning I can come up with, bust just because it seems reasonable doesn't make it true.

[-] zonnewin@feddit.nl 54 points 2 months ago

In practice, China is more capitalist (at citizen level) than many European countries.

[-] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

So what's their healthcare situation? Does government provide it? or is it only provided through employment like USA does it (implying we're not worthy of healthcare unless we work a cushy job),? or do they pay for healthcare out of pocket?

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago

I may have gotten some information incorrect, but I believe that the Chinese welfare system is very complex and even sad to think about. Citizens are only entitled to free healthcare in their home province. Outside of that they are not entitled. It's called the hukou system. Despite the uplifting of millions of Chinese from poverty, the wealth and access to resources is strange in such a way.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

I think it's pronounced the "fuk-you" system.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Best comment I've read!

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 10 points 2 months ago

So ... if you were very sick, why wouldn't you go back to your home province to get that healthcare?

Stupid system, sure, but it seems like a much more reasonable solution than hoping your child wins a lot of money in sports.

[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Their home province may be rural and not have hospitals equipped to treat certain diseases? China is a big country and not all of it is well developed.

[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is the correct answer in a lot of cases and even if their hukou is in a modern place like Shanghai, the best hospitals and latest medical treatments are often not part of the basic medical coverage. Long lines and long waits happen for many services. A two tier system of public and private care exists with the rich able to pay for private doctor, private rooms, and advanced care. I lived in Shanghai for 11 years. Managed to have a heart attack there and got great emergency service at a fraction of the cost in the USA. After care was long lines and long waits at the local hospital so I went to the international clinic for that.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Sounds like they're getting screwed

[-] fritobugger2017@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

It's complicated. As a still developing country outside of the major cities, the Chinese people very little for health care and very little in taxes for it. The trade off is long lines and sometimes delays. It could be worse, it could be the USA system.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

A lot of Chinese are from the more rural interior and travel to the more prosperous cities, which are closer to the coast, to work. Traveling to their home province to get treatment is more arduous than getting sick itself.

[-] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 months ago

Would it also be fair to assume a rural province might not have the specialist you need?

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

As somebody mentioned already, you're right, most specialists live urban areas.

[-] Canconda@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago

That's why the "Democratic" part of Social democracy is so critical.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Look up the term State Capitalism. That is China.

[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Socialist in name only.

[-] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 2 months ago

I thought they at least had universal healthcare...

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