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[–] 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

What does this mean for GrapheneOS and similar degoogled android versions?

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Nothing changes for now but other moves by Google clearly show they are trying to kill 3rd party ROMs by locking down Android's code. In my opinion, unless EU steps in and mandates phone manufacturers and Google to support google free apps we're fucked.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The EU has no interest in allowing privacy on devices, since it is increasingly attempting to control alternative narratives. We're in touching distance of the Fourth Reich now.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Remember that the EU arose in part from the institutions set up to deter the same type of nationalist fascism rising again, such as the ECSC. Sadly, we may have encouraged Russian -funded American -spread international fascism in its place, although they don't seem to control the EU yet.

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    American billionaires literally funded the US fascism and have made it public policy to support fascistic governments and groups within the EU. See the US sec of state endorsing Orban this week as evidence.

    Honeslty think you ae a bot in here to spread shit and be divisive for the sake of it.

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    You can't distinguish between europe and the EU. Europe has a colonial history. The EU was formed with peace and stability in mind.

    The atrocities committed by european states across the centuries should be remembered and reparations made to the best possible degree.

    The stability that the EU brought to the region should be remembered, lauded and fought for.

    Sorry I dont subscribe to your view that once any rvil has taken place in a land that those people can never then be a force for good.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Would not be sure about that. There has been steps in opposite directions in the past. Remember the regulation regarding 3. party app Stores on IOS, or even further back in the past the "Free Brwoser Choice" in MS-Windows.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm dumb But using grapheneos How would them locking down the code affect graphene?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Some apps require google play, like android auto and maps.
    I'm using grapheneos with open street maps, so I don't think there would be any problem with that. There is a work around to load some apps that require google play with out a google account. I'm guessing that is what would be affected.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Graphen is based on AOSP - Android Open Source Project. As the name implies, that's the part of Android that's Open Source. Google publishes this code, Graphene OS people modify it and release. All bugfixes, security fixes and new features go there. Google first stopped accepting contributions from other devs and now they are limiting how often will they release AOSP and how often will they publish security fixes. This makes development of Graphene OS more difficult and it looks like Google's ultimate goal is to make Android closed source. Graphene OS doesn't have the resources to develop Android by themselves so this would probably kill the project.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    While it does not affect them directly, it is unlikely most app developers will give significant effort to only support a small percentage of Android users running custom ROMs. So while GrapheneOS users will be able to install apps, there will likely not be that many apps to install.

    Edit: What I mean is that most applications will have to choose to either agree to google terms and identify themselves, or develop only for custom ROMs, or stop developing altogether. And I don't think many will choose the 2nd option. Also, 1st option may not be available if google does not like your app.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago

    The european movement away from american stuff however is increasing, I’m hopeful that Jolla, Fairphone and the ROM world will actually increase in importance and numbers

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It's the other way around. GrapheneOS users will be able to install all the apps but stock Android users will not be able to install apps from F-Droid and other alternative sources*. F-Droid will lose access to about 99% of the market.

    *Technically it will still be possible for open source devs to distribute apps to stock Android users but it will require handing Google your personal information and setting up way more complicated build configuration.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm writing this on a GOS Pixel tablet with only free/libre installation sources. There are quite enough applications to install.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Please see edit of my comment. Since it seems my point did not get across, I elaborated. Of course there are plenty right now since there are no barriers yet.

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    GrapheneOS is not limited by Google, as long as the bootloader is unlockable and Google contnues releasing the sources. Longterm, the GOS project needs to support alternative hardware platforms.

    There are Linux tablets, so if Android is dead open source developers will support these.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think the problem is your second assumption of "will continue releasing sources" is the one to fail.

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