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Chat Control is not implementing mass surveillance and has nothing to do with national security. I that's their only argument they are confused and there's nothing to talk about. If they have other arguments I would like to hear them.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

It likely is not their only grievance as other things exist like porn blocking, ID implementations and VPN discussions.

Also chat control is reviewing private conversations. It is a provacy breach. There is no circumstance where this is not abusable. Here are some truths to how the law is presented:

1: nothing can be seen, only if certain pre registered files are recognised 2: politicians, military and associated personnel are exempted.

Meaning it can see more than nothing or else it is acceptable for these people to possess these materials.

It is also able to controlled a granular level person to person.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Porn blocking? In EU? I heard about it only in UK. Which EU countries block porn?

ID implementation... yes, all EU countries have ID. Many have digital IDs. What's with it?

VPN discussion isn't really proof of anything. Even Chat Control 2.0 isn't approved yet, it's just a project. VPN blocking is not even a proposal. It just someone mentioned in some report. Hardly a reason to claim that EU is becoming a surveillance state.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Do you sit and wait to be impacted by something before you consider forming an opinion on it andk maybe acting?

IDs and digital IDs are not the same as the discussion surrounding online identification legislation. One is state ID that is pretty common. The other is tech companies gettimg a data harvesting opportunity.

I didnt make the claim, but there is ample evidence to support it from where I sit.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

Act if you want to, no one is stopping you. For me it's just silly that people talk about EU becoming surveillance state without being able to show a single valid example. Like when you said EU is blocking porn and VPN access. I'm still waiting for examples where it was done inside EU. Then everyone claims digital IDs are evil without realizing they have been used without issues in EU for 20 years. It's like saying that EU will become a military dictatorship because countries have guns.

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse. Of course they can be done well, I would be delighted for a sovereign zero knowledge system to be implemented. Estonia has had a good system for a long time.

Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption.

Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification

Privacy, security and being open sourcr should be priorities for any system legally required.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

The implementation of digital IDs is where there is scope for abuse.

It's like saying that implementing police force is problematic because there is scope for abuse. Do you have any proof that any of EU countries that implemented digital ID over the past decades is using it for surveillance? If not you're just spreading conspiracy theories.

Chat control weakens encryption which is an issue for VPNs who have e2e encryption.

It doesn't. You don't know what is in this legislation and you're spreading conspiracy theories.

Here is the link for adult content requiring third party system confirmation of ID

This says it's privacy preserving and open source. Do you have any proof that this will be used to track/surveil people? Or is is just another conspiracy theory?

Finally, look at all things like privacy index, press freedom index, freedom of speech index, data on independent courts and so on. Do you see any proof that EU is slipping on those issues? Not right wing countries like Hungary, EU as a whole. Can you find any proof at all that EU is abandoning it's principles and drifting in the direction of surveillance state? Or is it all just because of some rumors, misinformation and false claims?

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[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago

You didnt answer anything or refute anything, you just say that its ridiculous and not to be worried about the rightward leap. Chat control is an issue. Leaders are making public remarks re VPNs and private industry is trying to involve itself with the ID space as it grows as a necessity.

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