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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

More context

Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 16 hours ago

People love to criticize the marketplace of ideas and sure it's imperfect... but what's he alternative? Covering your ears and going lalalalala is even less effective than persuasion.

[-] Riverside@reddthat.com 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

People love to criticize the marketplace of ideas and sure it's imperfect... but what's he alternative?

Ban Zionists and Nazis and Fascist from all aspects of the public sphere. Europe was quick to ban all Russian media when the war began, we could literally do that with far right media.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Sure, if you have total power over the media ecosystem. But we don't.

So the question has to be asked--are you banning Zionism from the public square or simply exiling anti Zionism into a small echo-chamber where no one will hear it anymore and Zionism will go unchallenged? This is my problem with this approach.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 14 points 16 hours ago

Some of the options can’t be discussed on lemmy.world because of rule 1.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 15 hours ago

I'm sad at how selectively they use that rule

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 15 hours ago

Did you know that it’s illegal for you to say,
“I want to kill the president of the United States of America?”

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 14 hours ago

Well I don't think that's very effective either but if we can't have a discussion then we'll just have to disagree.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 9 points 14 hours ago

It’s worked before. If only we’d had more premature antifascists, we might have nipped it in the bud before it enveloped most of Europe and China.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

What worked was the might of a multiple empires waging total war against one another. I don't think any Lemmings have that power at their disposal.

Of course this only worked after tens of millions of deaths, so it wasn't exactly the ideal solution even then.

[-] hobovision@mander.xyz 2 points 9 hours ago

As much as I hate to agree with Tankies, I think their point was that a more surgical method could have prevented things from boiling over into a world war.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Maybe... this is where I guess the instance rules get in the way because I'd like to know what exactly that looks like. Because it's well known that communists and others tried to violently resist the Nazis in the lead up to the third reich. So you'd have to articulate how your strategy was different from what was tried and failed.

My reading of history is that sporadic violence is a very ineffective anti-fascist tactic.