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The idealist, liberal myth of the “marketplace of ideas,” in the face of domestic and Israeli fascism.
Socialists—and in particular antifascists & Marxists—understand the paradox of tolerance.
Antifa: the Anti-fascist Handbook
You can't change the mind of someone you don't have access to.
Yes, that's the idea, making sure that Zionists don't have access to anyone.
Does no one here understand the younger generations access to ideas? I think the idea that every one claims of creating echo chambers is not an effective one. The law of diminishing returns (as a business term) states that all else held equal an increase in production( or the free debate or posting of opinions) will not produce more profit after a certain point ( or the changing of others opinions) . When it comes to people posting and espousing for state sponsored genocide I think we have hit the top of that curve. If you stop the flow of that information you are not creating echo chambers but more effectively stopping the spread of bullshit and hate. They have Xhitter. Fucking ban this genocidal shit every chance you get, either foundationally or personally. I dont get a whiff of this on shitjust works because I dont engage with it.
Feels an awful lot like "won't somebody think of the children?"
All that means is you've closed your eyes to the world around you. It doesn't mean that the world has changed. Avoidance doesn't help. It actually makes things worse because you cede the moral and intellectual territory.
Alternatively, you can actually take the fight to people instead of hiding from problems. And as far as what the younger generation sees, if you aren't providing arguments against fascism, against zionism, who is going to win that mind?
No one is hiding from problems, but flowers do not grow in a battlefield. They're trampled. You need to have safe retreat, a place to teach, cultivate and grow. Inclusion means ensuring safe harbor through the exclusion of bad actors. I'm here now in the trench, but I do not have to live in the trench. Don't you get that? I have a place to return to, a place to regroup, discuss, laugh, be marry in dark times. What you're advocating for is a horizonless battlefield, with no end in sight. An endless sea of torment and combat with no safe harbor. And for what? "The market place of ideas'"? What a joke. What a dated and dead concept.
-- Michael Parenti
This idea applies to these modes of communication as well. The ideological expression of an instance is at it's core the ideological view of it's administration in the abstract. There is no equal footing. Zionist instances will ban you on Zionist grounds. Creating an "inclusive" space for Zionists and their cohort. You can not "win" a debate in their realm as they always have the administration on their side.
The same is true for db0. This motion is simply the negation of the contradiction between wanting to maintain an inclusive and welcoming space for Palestinians, anti-zionists of all stripes, Muslim and Arab peoples; and the open federation model of activitypub.
The people who want to get into the trenches will. For those who don't, db0 is finally a safe harbor for those listed above. Free from having their identities, their lives, their humanity debated for the sake of the free market of ideas.
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Man you really beat the fuck out of that strawman.
Go back to Reddit
Where's your free market place of ideas now? Out of stock? Bankrupt? Need to be bailed out? Pathetic.
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Bruh is so desperate for me to say something I didn't. Bruh go find one of your op friends to fight with.
Lil bro: describes a free marketplace of ideas
Big bro: calls them out for describing a free marketplace of ideas
Lil bro: StRaWmAn FaLcY I didn't saay "free marketplace of ideas" I simply said "we should have open lines of communication with Nazis so that we can debate and harass each other in open and hostile combat, thus treating their ideas as equal to our own and worthy of being heard at all in the hopes that through pure intellectual fortitude our ideas will drive the nazies out of business... I mean bankrupt their ideas... I mean make them go away! All the while giving them direct access to our communities most vulnerable population for literally no reason!'
BRUH
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Bruh is literally the "I have depicted you as soyjack" meme in real life.
Also, aren't you like an 8 day old sockpuppet? get on your main fam.
Yes
This is their gimmick, just block the morons and move on.
No
Its not won't somebody think of the children... Its get this shit out of their face. Block it. Thats the beauty of the fediverse.
The initial point was that younger generations feed off engagements. You block the conversation and it doesn't exist. Its not a matter of closing your eyes to the world. Its closing the gates to the exact statement I made. Does no one understand how the younger generation get the information? Engagement. Was the answer. Failure to allow a platform will stop the spread of the misinformation in the first place.
'Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference'.
E: these people and often misinformation machines are not trying to have a discourse. They are planting propaganda. ie. The qoute above. Stop the shit in your home. End the spread by denying a platform.
E2: I mean. I get what your saying on an institutional level, but fuck that this is a social media instance argument so. My first edit stands.
Yeah. Is what it is. I don't think feddit is some kind of zionist propaganda machine, although its clear that it hosts plenty of zionists. I'd rather berate, abuse, mock, and contest them in the comments. I have enough respect for the youth to trust their judgement.
The mods would ban you if you did that
People love to criticize the marketplace of ideas and sure it's imperfect... but what's he alternative? Covering your ears and going lalalalala is even less effective than persuasion.
Ban Zionists and Nazis and Fascist from all aspects of the public sphere. Europe was quick to ban all Russian media when the war began, we could literally do that with far right media.
Some of the options can’t be discussed on lemmy.world because of rule 1.
I'm sad at how selectively they use that rule
Did you know that it’s illegal for you to say,
“I want to kill the president of the United States of America?”
Well I don't think that's very effective either but if we can't have a discussion then we'll just have to disagree.
It’s worked before. If only we’d had more premature antifascists, we might have nipped it in the bud before it enveloped most of Europe and China.
What worked was the might of a multiple empires waging total war against one another. I don't think any Lemmings have that power at their disposal.
Of course this only worked after tens of millions of deaths, so it wasn't exactly the ideal solution even then.
As much as I hate to agree with Tankies, I think their point was that a more surgical method could have prevented things from boiling over into a world war.