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@scruiser @BlueMonday1984 funny how they mock left wingers for «that wasn't real communism» and then come up with the same excuses for liberal democracies and capitalism whenever one points out all the shit that came out of that. It's really ALWAYS projection with them, isn't it?
This reminds me of a discussion I had recently on a fanfic discord (the discussion was sparked by the March for Billionaires...). Someone claimed no country had ever pulled itself out of poverty except by capitalism, so I bring up China and the USSR, but apparently those don't count for the person I was arguing with. They claimed the stats were Goodharted and also that what I was saying was tankie bullshit. I gave up at that point (I probably shouldn't have bothered in the first place). Like how exactly did they fake or Goodhart going from literal feudalism to industrial superpowers? Also, I find it notable how EAs and "The Better Angels of Our Nature" type neoliberals are perfectly happy to use overall stats as metrics when it makes a point they are in favor of. "Your GDP went up 3.2%, please ignore the mass environmental devastation from colonialism and neocolonialism that makes your traditional way of life unlivable and thank us Westerners."
The funny thing is orthodox marxists wouldn't necessarily disagree: capitalism is a necessary historical step towards communism. Not sure how that justifies the continued existence of exploitation and billionaires!
@scruiser there's no winning with these guys. I had a similar experience with someone bringing up South Korea as an example of country that brought itself up by its bootstraps via unfettered capitalism because “planned economy doesn't work”, so I had to remind them that SK was a military dictatorship who implemented 5-year plans leveraging billions of foreign investment that was given to it by US to prop it up against NK.
it's crazy how people memoryholed that (and japan doing the same, and a handful of other countries). or how until 2022 war norway wasn't really thought of as petrostate by people who didn't pay attention. or how ten years ago, if you said that putin bombed apartments to wage war on chechenya to win elections all to pardon yeltsin, people would think that you're a crackpot
Nonono if it’s US backed then it’s capitalist and free market and good don’t you see /s
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Yep, I should have realized that sooner, at least I gave up on that "discussion" before going further.