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[–] 13 points 7 months ago (38 children)

bro vegans are so dumb they're depriving themselves of key nutrients and become weak and constantly tired.

that's wrong, let me prove it to you by climbing the fucking everest

bro vegans are so annoying and why won't they shut the fuck up about it

the carnist intellectuals have come out in force I see

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    It's crazy how mad people get every time a Vegan exists

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  • [+] -9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    The problem are not the vegans. The problem is that those people have to tell everyone that the are vegans and try to "sell" to others. Just be a vegan and don't bother other people with it.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    people have to tell everyone that the are vegans

    I never see these people IRL.

    But they must be deeply traumatizing, because I see people who complain about them everywhere.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think her dying trying is an important part of the point here.

    I don't agree with it. I'm sure there's a more nuanced cause of death, but that's between step 2 and 3.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (15 children)

    Vegans call themselves vegans and they get to call others "carnists"? I've been hearing them calling others "meateaters" too. It's so reductive of people who don't agree with their ideas.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    Huh? What would you call someone who cares about animal exploitation, and what should we call those that don't?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    I don't go over my day calling people names. It's not hard for me to call them as they want them to be called, and if I don't know that, they are just people like me.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Carnist is a description of someone who has a meat-inclusive diet, other descriptions of people by what they can or cannot eat are e.g. vegan, lactose intolerant, celiac... It's not a "name" you call someone, it's a description of someone using a certain aspect of them relevant to the discussion.

    A "name", as in, something used to insult would be e.g. corpsemuncher, bloodmouth, cheesebreth &c.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    So, some nonvegan people?

    Edit: Also, that wasn't the point. Vegans call themselves vegans, nobody is asking them to call others by any name, proper or improper, in vegans' point of view.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

    The point behind not using "nonvegan" is that it frames carnists as "the normal"s and the "vegans" as the one who have "something special" going on. This is true with celiac and nonceliac, lactose intolerant and not lactose intolerant. But we argue that veganism, i.e. not killing if unnecessary, is the normal thing to do. That the only reason it doesn't seem that way is because it got normalized through repetition and how widespread it is.

    Nobody is asking to stop the torture of dairy cows &c. other than vegans either so I don't understand why you think the point in your edit matters.The point in demonstrating for societal change is precisely doing stuff others aren't asking for.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    I guess a vegan would see the point in that. Vegans are normal in my book, as in they are people. If they didn't call themselves vegans, I wouldn't call them any particular way as a noun. If I needed to describe them, I'd say, "they are people who only eat vegetables".

    I get it, though, it's a discourse battle derived from their moral views and expected ethics. It's just they don't come across as very approachable.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    I should note, although it's not directly relevant to your point, that "people who eat vegetables (instead of meat)" are also called vegetarian. The precise degree to which oppression of animals is tolerable was a contencious debate among vegetarians, which led to the creation of "The Vegan Society" to rally those that argued for "no oppression at all". So even though dairy and egg farming require animal murder (to deal with the newborns considered a "byproduct") vegetarians don't object to those.

    Vegans however take the idea that animals are thinking, feeling creatures to its logical conclusion and will argue for no animal products anywhere. No leather, no beeswax, no brushes with animal hair, no trips to the zoo, no pets and so on. It's very much not just the diet, although that is of course a huge part of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    another user said it's like how christians call non-believers sinners. that makes sense to me.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    This is a shotpost community. I'm not entirely sure I understand your surprise.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, you don't want me to take this "so serious" everyone here is just pretending to be a stereotypical carnist? I'm not surprised at all, why would I be, it's like this every time a vegan is mentioned.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not sure either. If it's everyone, maybe the vegan is the issue. 🤷

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Huh? What vegan is causing everyone here to act like a stereotype? The one who climbed everest, or one of the vegans who started commenting after all these carnists had made all the canon jokes already

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    To be fair, you did start with namecalling. Whether or not the name was malicious the intent clearly is. Perhaps interact with less hate in your heart?

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Well. She did shut the fuck up about it.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Kindest carnist

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Only kind of. I am all for veganism if I could afford it. Plus I am more impressed with thr sherpas making this their nob in spite of the obnoxious tourists.

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