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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I (thank god) am not Stalin, and I have plenty of practical and ideological differences with Stalin and you (thank god) are not Makhno and presumably have many differences with him. I don't think it's useful to project things this way instead of looking at people's actual professed beliefs unless they demonstrate having the same attitude

Actually that's in fact the salient point: The argument anarchists like me are making is that hierarchical power (i.e. a state) is simply going to breed the next Stalin, regardless of originating good intentions. From where we stand, history bears this out.

I was furthermore very careful about my claim because I was there for when that fight happened and saw the attitude that you and the other admin took, but what I just said is very concretely and undeniably true when you look at some of the various remarks the person made at the time

I mean, so was I. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the "heinousness" or the statement and what was really meant by the author. But the fact that your interpretation is repeated and misquoted like a broken telephone is why relations can't improve. In fact it reaches the point where you have members of your instance literally call me a neo-nazi. It boggles my mind that you can't see how removing all nuance in this way breeds hostility. When you reach the point where members of you community start calling anarchists "neo-nazis" and the rest go "mhm, uh-huh, this checks out", I think all expectation of compromise are out the window.

[...]So again, yes, I am saying you made a poor choice many times, that's why I'm arguing for changing course.[...]

I mean, "poor choice" in relation to what? Poor in being conducive to Hexbears liking me? Perhaps. But it is not an imperative for me for Hexbers to like me. In fact it's Hexbears who request that I take steps to make them like me in the name of "left unity". And I think that's ass-backwards.

I think this is ultimately the sticking point. From where I stand, I am not opposed to improving relations, but I do deny the idea that it falls on is on me to make an effort to be nicer than what I get back. Rather it's the ones who actually believe in left unity who should be making such an effort.

This, however, I can say is not true. There are subcategories of anarchism that do receive direct criticism. Here's me and another user doing that, as an example.

It's a welcome sight to see this play out like this, instead of the /c/slop reaction which is usually the case. Unfortunately 90% of the time, I see the slop approach.

You are right, but this is part of why I said we (as in the communities, or at least you and HB) would need to have a discussion about if what we view as reasonable.

Honestly I don't understand what kind of discussion you expect. There's no way I would censor myself from criticising authcom ideologies from the left, in the spirit of improving relations, nevermind convincing others to do so likewise.

Look, if we can't agree on the aforementioned "heinous shit," not for the sake of litigating the ban of some silly kid or removing a year-old post, but as a baseline standard for the future, then I think you and I aren't going to personally get anywhere.

What is there to agree on? If you're seriously entertaining the idea that the person is a neo-nazi for having a spicy take, or that I'm a neo-nazi for interpreting them charitably, then yes, we're not going to get anywhere.

However, should you ever decide that you want to change things with Hexbear even if it requires some sort of compromise or re-evaluation on your part

I am still unclear on what form you expect this compromise or re-evaluation could possibly take. I'm not going to censor myself to avoid criticizing ML ideology from the left, and I'm not going to take the "high road" when being bullied in the goal of "left unity". Do you have anything else in mind that I did not understand?

[-] purpleworm@hexbear.net 0 points 1 day ago

What is there to agree on? If you're seriously entertaining the idea that the person is a neo-nazi for having a spicy take, or that I'm a neo-nazi for interpreting them charitably, then yes, we're not going to get anywhere.

I never said that and have multiple times in this exchange expressed my disbelief of both claims. I don't see why you insist on misrepresenting me this way when I have been very explicit that a) you would not say what that other person said and b) even that other person did not really understand what he was saying because he has no grasp of the history he is making claims about.

I am not the other people you have grievances with.

Do you have anything else in mind that I did not understand?

I didn't have anything in mind for the purpose of this conversation. As I said, I don't think you and I can make progress on this issue personally. Basically what I meant is that at a later time your perspective on things might change and that if that should ever happen and you would like to investigate having a better relationship with Hexbear in any respect, I am willing to advocate on your behalf to the community and I believe I can get other people to help me. As I said, I don't think it's terribly likely that you will make such a choice, but I am completely sincere and hope that some other circumstance leads you to do so.

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