PieFed vs Lemmy. What say you? (lemmy.world)

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So, it seems like PieFed is becoming a real alternative to lemmy.

What are the differences between these two? From a tech perspective, and also morality/ethics, if you want. Any differences in vision for these services?

Say whatever is on your mind. I want to know.

On which one should we put our weight?

PieFed all the way. It’s developing at lightning speed, while Lemmy lags behind as the transphobic genocide denying devs beg for donations with in built donation begging banners on all Lemmy instances front pages. Instances are apparently scared to defed from .ml for fear the devs wont support them with help.

Rimu has made some interesting choices, such as blocking 196 from default federating posts until a user subs first or a dislike for meme subs. But when spoken to has been receptive and removed such things or made them optional for admins.

Ethically and feature wise PieFed is in the lead, its not perfect but its open to change and receptive to ideas

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[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

It's so easy to abuse it's not even funny. You can be a power poster who replies to almost everything, block the people who disagree with you, and make it look like everyone on the site is on your side because no one ever disagrees.

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Doesn't seem like a huge problem to me.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

IMO its subtle but if you look at first post and second post effects studied on sites like reddit, this sort of thing can be used effectively for narrative hacking / consent manufacture etc, or more commonly just for digital marketing.

Probably doesn't matter much at the current scale of federated social networks, but reddit wasn't that big back in the day either and it is worth learning from and designing against these exploits where possible.

[-] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

You will get de facto banned because a couple of random hyper-obsessed reactionary users blocked you, personally.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

And that process can happen on any community that doesn't vigilantly censor bad faith users who abuse the block function. If there's a random community and you want to hijack it you can do so by making bait posts about controversial subjects and blocking anyone that disagrees, which will then create an illusion of concensus. Imagine someone doing this with racist dogwhistles or transphobic content, where they start mildly and figure out where the established community members stand, then they can push that line a little bit, get no pushback, and repeat. You could slowly turn the heat up and avoid ever getting banned because you never actually get into an argument with anybody, and it'd look like no one even really has a problem with you.